Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Sometimes human rights and human lives are worth more than a few jobs. Wix have already made it clear they will sack any employee who doesn't mindlessly support mass murder.

You are - it would have taken very little time to verify who was/wasnt in control of the border. And you suggested it was sources within Gaza. Which is either ignorance or laziness, you decide.

The Egyptians do not want the Gaza people. They see what the Palestinians did to Jordan. Egypt even built their wall something like 50 feet underground to discourage the Gazans from building tunnels.

Oh I'm not going to disagree re the crimes of Hamas — I just tend to be wary of the attempted sanitisation of state-sanctioned violence and brutality. States have the power and resources to kill people en masse in "cleaner" ways optically — remotely, impersonally and more prosaically. It all just reads better, and collateral damage (no matter how brutally or recklessly it is inflicted) can simply be waved away by saying "but we aren't shooting babies".

In that context, States have the power to construct their wars around sanitised narratives. You end up with clever barristers giving the nicely wrapped up legal arguments — we bomb yes but we warn first, we cut off vital aid to a civilian population yes but we aren't obliged to aid Hamas after all. Israel should hold itself, and should be held by the world, to a higher standard because it is the infinitely stronger power in this conflict and has far greater capability of unleashing mass death and injury to civilians, including children.

Few articles talking about how Hamas lulled them into it.

Over the last 2 years or relative peace the border has been more open and a lot of job visa have been given to Gazans, and more trade was flowing in.

Now maybe Hamas aren't that forward thinking, and it was just a natural calming of things before Hamas didn't want to be irrelevant anymore.

Well that's the end of that.

I follow a youtube traveler who passed through there a few months ago. I was surprised by how easy it was. Thought it'd be a like Fort Knox.

I suspect it would be a big deal to some if an Irish company had sacked an Israeli employee for calling Ireland anti semitic and supporters of Hamas on social media. The very ones saying this company were within their rights to sack this woman would be in uproar decrying anti semitism. Should we only rail against wokeism and cancel culture when it's people we agree with that are cancelled ,walshb?

Whats that got to do with our discussion on the control of the border?

First question at PM Questions in the UK

Rishi Sunak asked to back a humanitarian ceasefire and whether Israel is acting against international law

Answer 'It's important we do everything we can to get humanitarian aid to everyone who needs it'

If an Israeli employee employed by an Irish company publicly labeled Ireland a country of terrorists, that employee deserves the sack.

Courtney from Clondalkin has gotten her 15 mins a fame

So, what.....HR call her in and say, "that wasn't very nice, Courtney!"

What would be sufficient? UN / Human Rights Watch Amnesty International? This is for educational purposes...

I disagree. International laws on warfare are simply words used to put a framework around a moral and ethical point — they are imperfect as any laws are. They are also written and agreed to by States (not private citizens), and ultimately are heavily influenced by the great State powers of the world — and so the question of what is good warfare and bad warfare is written by them and is written to the advantage of the manner in which they conduct war. So, a State can bomb an enclosed space like Gaza, kill hundreds of children, and say that unlike Hamas they didn't personally and directly target those kids even if by any rational standard they were reckless to the fact of killing children.

When the shoe is on the other foot, what does the State have done with you when you didn't mean to kill someone but you acted recklessly? Indeed, what would you have done to someone who recklessly killed your child?

International law is a good thing, but ultimately you must always remember that it can be used as a permission slip for a government to be allowed to bomb your house, kill you, kill your children, kill your parents, kill your neighbours — and coolly explain it all away with a glorified "woopsie" if it didn't fit within some wording that makes it a crime.

That's why we should all hold States to a higher standard than the standards they apply to themselves.