Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Well I'd respectfully disagree with you there. The Geneva Conventions certainly cannot be described as universally accepted in the context of this topic as Israel has not even ratified all of them. Israel doesn't recognise the International Criminal Court either and more or less told them to f**k off in an attempted 2021 war crime investigation.

The Geneva Conventions were put in place at a time when the world was very much commanded by, and most countries were under the strong influence of, the US, United Kingdom, France and the Soviet Union. These were the main powers influencing the form that the Geneva Conventions and much of the text reflected the manner in which they wanted to have freedom to fight their own future wars. For example, almost all of them were dealing with some form of insurgency within their own territories and did not want the Convention to restrain their ability to restore colonial authority — so the internal conflict rules were a vague fudge at that time.

The rules have been built on that foundational context and while I stress again that they are on balance a good thing, I don't believe they should be taken as a constraint on what we as citizens deem to be war crimes.

You are correct, should have typed ww1.

I agree it's extremely distasteful if she did not condemn Hamas for what they did,but even so I still believe if this post was on her private time and her employers name was not mentioned on her profile it was wrong to sack her. However, If due process was followed then you could argue she had a choice to make, this company is not consistent with my moral values therefore I'm resigning.

She may have believed due to Irish employment law there is no way the company would actually go ahead and sack her. This is why she will most likely win a court case if she takes one against her former employers

They have already fully lost support and sympathy. Even those obliged to shore up Israel are appalled at their actions.

Time for our own government to stand up and take a diplomatic stance by removing ambassadors on both sides.

This same logic applies to Likud then, Bibi’s party:

a. The right of the Jewish peopleto the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.

b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace.

I think Leo made a very good point as to why this is an unwise course of action.

Is it healthy after 2 weeks and THOUSANDS of Israeli bombs dropped by their OWN reporting, to be so skeptical of there at least being a thousand dead when the currently accepted figure by multinationals in situ is over 5-6 thousand now?

The difference is that it is not the Palestinians who control the lives of Israelis; it is the Israelis who hold the power. For decades, the Israeli government has implemented policies and measures that have heavily impacted the daily lives of Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. These policies include the construction of settlements, restrictions on movement, and the establishment of a separation wall. In the past, there was a prevailing perception that the Jewish people were weaker and unable to defend themselves. This view stems from historical events.

Israel finds itself in a position where it must defend itself against attempts made by its enemies to undermine and destroy the state. However, it is crucial for Israel to exercise caution and restraint when dealing with weaker opponents. Going too far and abusing the power imbalance could result in Israel being perceived as no better than those who have committed wrongdoings against them.

In recent diplomatic discussions, an intriguing plan has emerged that proposes the involvement of Arab and Muslim states in Gaza to guarantee Israel's security. This proposal also aims to facilitate the demilitarization of Hamas and foster the normalization of ties between Saudi Arabia, other Arab and Muslim states, and Israel. By strategically positioning these states in Gaza, their presence would serve as a strong deterrent against potential threats and attacks. By disarming Hamas and ensuring the control of security operations in Gaza lies with the Arab and Muslim states, the region can move towards a more peaceful future. This step would not only contribute to Israel's security but also promote stability within Gaza The first step in moving away from this revenge circle is recognizing that it leads nowhere. Revenge may provide temporary satisfaction, but it ultimately perpetuates the cycle of violence, causing more harm than good. 

In contrast, the rejection of the plan by Hamas would only serve to solidify the negative perception that many already have of the organization. It would confirm the suspicions that Hamas is not interested in peace or in finding a way forward, but rather in maintaining a state of perpetual conflict.

Basically yes it's a slander with antisemitc undertones. Israel haters assume that anyone who ever defends the state on the net must be doing it for money.

“On Tuesday, Israel said it had launched 400 airstrikes over the past day, killing Hamas commanders, hitting militants as they were preparing to launch rockets into Israel and striking command centers and a Hamas tunnel shaft. The previous day, Israel reported 320 strikes. Witnesses and health officials said many of the airstrikes hit residential buildings, some of them in southern Gaza where Israel had told civilians to take shelter.”

Hundreds of bombs per night, ‘can’t be sure 1,000 civilians died yet, can’t trust these Gazans you know’

Which is a shaddah, used across the Islamic world for centuries. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria,Iran , Lebanon, Egypt, qutar, Malaysia and anywhere else there is large Muslim populations

So you can stop claiming I lied

Clearly, she should be supporting the violence her company is supporting.

We're done here.

You tried spoofing in post #10989 and you got caught out.

Shahada or not, the white text on a green flag has been used to represent Hamas for over 20 years.

Usage on flags

Further information: Islamic flags and Black Standard

Jihadist variation of the Black Standard as used by various Islamist organisations since the late 1990s, which consists of the Shahada in white script centered on a black background

The Shahada is found on some Islamic flags. For an example Wahhabis have used the Shahada on their flags since the 18th century.[35] In 1902, Ibn Saud, leader of the House of Saud and the future founder of Saudi Arabia, added a sword to this flag.[35] The modern Flag of Saudi Arabia was introduced in 1973.[36] The Flag of Somaliland has a horizontal strip of green, white and red with the Shahada inscribed in white on the green strip.[37]

The flag of Afghanistan under the Taliban is a white flag with the Shahada inscribed in black. The various jihadist black flags used by Islamic insurgents since the 2000s have often followed this example. The Shahada written on a green background has been used by supporters of Hamas since about 2000. The 2004 draft constitution of Afghanistan proposed a flag featuring the Shahada in white script centered on a red background. In 2006, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant designed its flag using the Shahada phrase written in white on black background. The font used is supposedly similar to the font used as seal on the original letters written on Muhammad's behalf.[38]