Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

It depends where and when and how you're expressing those political opinions. For example many of my political opinions that I can freely express in most places will absolutely get me sacked if I express them in my place of work or on social media accounts that are linked with my professional life - that is where my account also links me with my employer's by having my place of work and my role visible in the profile. It may be a dangerous road but we're not starting on it now, but we're already a long way in. And she was supposed to know all this.

From Amnesty

UN - who actually have people on the ground within Gaza

Latest: Occupied Palestinian Territory/Israel | OHCHR

Anyone with a pair of eyes on their head, looking at social media, the news reports with the levels of destruction/pictures of injured would reasonably ascertain that +1,000 people have died within Gaza.

Nope, that's an Islamic shaddah it's not Hamas,it's seen all across the middle east and further afield sometimes in white,some times in green and sometimes in black,

It's not the flag of hamas,for the most part the experts say Hamas has no actual flag , but then again that's Wikipedia for you

You quoted Amnesty lol .

Yeah unfortunately the UN are not counting casualties dead or otherwise they are reporting according to hamas what they are saying is the casualties

The limitation on Israeli deaths is down to the limitation of Hamas's technology (and that of their brethren) not their ideology.

Hamas want Islamic law on all middle east land and all Jews/Christians removed and will do whatever it takes to do.

If they had the means it would be a holocaust cheered on a supported by a lot of the middle east and indeed Western universities and the like( on the basis of pre Israeli strike back demonstrations in London and elsewhere).

At this stage you are being deliberately obtuse. If I was sprouting numbers like 10k+ maybe just maybe I would have conceded, however social media shows directly and I am not talking about reporting, its real time visible dead bodies injured parties. I am actually shocked that I even am explaining this.

'If this was a school shooter, hiding out in a classroom when would it ever be morally acceptable to bomb the entire school.' Answer. Never.

However this is whats happening to Palestinian people. For the love of god 50% of their population is under 18. That means 50% of the population were not in existence when Hamas (with the help of Israel initially might I add) were elected. That's not included an of the people who would even have been too young to vote. And people on here essentially cheering Israel on, I am ashamed of you all who are. I don't have all the answers, or solutions to this but what I do know this is wrong and this is not the solution.

Well I'd respectfully disagree with you there. The Geneva Conventions certainly cannot be described as universally accepted in the context of this topic as Israel has not even ratified all of them. Israel doesn't recognise the International Criminal Court either and more or less told them to f**k off in an attempted 2021 war crime investigation.

The Geneva Conventions were put in place at a time when the world was very much commanded by, and most countries were under the strong influence of, the US, United Kingdom, France and the Soviet Union. These were the main powers influencing the form that the Geneva Conventions and much of the text reflected the manner in which they wanted to have freedom to fight their own future wars. For example, almost all of them were dealing with some form of insurgency within their own territories and did not want the Convention to restrain their ability to restore colonial authority — so the internal conflict rules were a vague fudge at that time.

The rules have been built on that foundational context and while I stress again that they are on balance a good thing, I don't believe they should be taken as a constraint on what we as citizens deem to be war crimes.

You are correct, should have typed ww1.

 " enough warming up, you have Jews with you in every place. You should attack every Jew possible in all the world and kill them."

Fathi Hamad, political leader of Hamas.

These types of quotes are everywhere, Hamas did not change. It just changed tactics, it has always been about extermination between the river and the sea and it won't stop there, as this is not about any nation state for them.

The wave of solidarity towards them will not change them nor will it prevent them from moving on to gays, women and so forth once the Jewish issue is dealt with, be careful what ye wish for, the killing won't be confirmed to those between the river and the sea that ye want gone.

I agree it's extremely distasteful if she did not condemn Hamas for what they did,but even so I still believe if this post was on her private time and her employers name was not mentioned on her profile it was wrong to sack her. However, If due process was followed then you could argue she had a choice to make, this company is not consistent with my moral values therefore I'm resigning.

She may have believed due to Irish employment law there is no way the company would actually go ahead and sack her. This is why she will most likely win a court case if she takes one against her former employers

They have already fully lost support and sympathy. Even those obliged to shore up Israel are appalled at their actions.

Time for our own government to stand up and take a diplomatic stance by removing ambassadors on both sides.

This same logic applies to Likud then, Bibi’s party:

a. The right of the Jewish peopleto the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.

b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace.

I think Leo made a very good point as to why this is an unwise course of action.

Is it healthy after 2 weeks and THOUSANDS of Israeli bombs dropped by their OWN reporting, to be so skeptical of there at least being a thousand dead when the currently accepted figure by multinationals in situ is over 5-6 thousand now?