Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

She labeled Israel terrorists. Israeli people (regardless of who is in power) will rightly be proper offended by this. She tarnished Israeli people as terrorists. Nothing to do (necessarily) with anyone cheerleading this current campaign.

She must have wanted the sack, as well as attention. Either that, or she’s incredibly silly.

I already debunked your claim ,

Unfortunately Wikipedia is as reliable as your mate down the pub

Please elaborate - I missed Leo's words of wisdom.

Fair enough, but it's a definition that the Israelis do not seem to be interested in arguing about with the International Criminal Court, which they don't recognise or engage with.

The Gaza Strip is 365 km². The population of the Gaza Strip is 2,048,000. That's over 5,600 people per square km. Children account for around 50% of the population of the Gaza Strip, so therefore for each km2, there are around 2,800 children.

On the 12th of October, The Israeli Air Force declared that they dropped over 6,000 bombs on Gaza - that was in less than a week (5 days). That is the equivalent of 16 bombs per square km. We're now 13 days since they declared that figure, and there have been a hell of a lot more bombs. My analytical mind says that the number of dead being quoted is a lowball figure and if the cleanup ever happens, that figure will be a lot higher, a LOT.

And, instead of going into coalition with Fatah, they *murdered them*.

Support us, if you don't, we will kill you.

A brief history of how, again, bad middle east policy by GWB gave rise to Hamas:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/was-hamas-elected-to-govern-gaza-george-w-bush-2006-palestinian-election.html

The election was 44% Hamas, 41% Fatah, and others.

I find it bizarre neutral people on here picking sides, Hundreds of innocent children have died on both sides, for what ???

They both need to cope the f*ck on & have a cease fire,

It's 2023 people who go out & live there lives based on religious books written thousands of years ago need to checked into mental help facilities ,

While we are on it War is a load of nonsense, a bunch of aul lads in suits have disagreements & thousands of innocent people lose there lives over absolute drivel,

There are no winners in this or good sides just a bunch off arseh*les causing innocent people to die .

"Founded on the injunction.." What?

Israel was founded on the principle of Zionism. There was strong movement in support of a Jewish state in Israel prior to WWII, for example.

But, "never again" is a compelling slogan for sure.

Right, again the west is somehow responsible for all the evils all the other people do all over the world. And yes, they killed each other for power, big surprise.

International law may differ from you in that respect. In the current conflict we have an engagement between a non-State actor - Hamas - and a State - Israel. Different obligations, different principles and different laws apply as to what it and isn't a war crime.

A State has a right under international law to self-defence, a non-State actor does not. A State has a right to use violence in certain circumstances, a non-State actor does not. The failure to understand these differences in international law is behind much of the legal misinterpretation of what has happened in Gaza.

A State can bomb a civilian population under international law, a non-State actor cannot. A state commits a war crime when:

1. "Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;

We are into a judgement call as to whether the bombings in Gaza are clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated. The behaviour of Hamas in taking hostages, beheading children, bombing their own hospital etc. has probably benefitted Israel under international law as it has decreased the threshold for anticipated military advantage. The right to defend Israel and get the hostages back, which Hamas continue to refuse to release, justify the military action under law. If Hamas were to release the hostages, Israel would find it much harder to justify the actions currently being taken.

As always, the above is an opinion on the legal merits of the Israeli actions and should not be taken as morally condoning what Israel are doing.

My argument is that whatever one thinks morally about what Israel is doing, they may well be correctly acting within the confines of international law.

The principles of war and sovereignty go back much further than that.

However, a more fundamental principle that you are in breach of goes back even further. When you argue that civilians or citizens should deem things to be illegal by belief and thought rather than law, you are arguing for the rule of the mob rather than the rule of law.

How is it meaningless???

Amateur opinion that 'believes' they are following international law holds no water.

We were discussing Israel, the western-allied state actor, and its serial pattern of war crimes. Nothing in my post was possible to misconstrue as aid or comfort for Hamas.

I don't think they wanted to destroy Britain, but there are many that want Unionists off the island. This for me is concerning given that that at least 500,000 people in NI that identify as British. Even today Kneecap have a song called "Get Your Brits Out" and that was only released in 2019