US Mass Shootings Megathread - read OP

You don’t think the state has an obligation to remove dangerous people from society, especially if they announce themselves to be dangerous?

"Gun was in his safe because he is a responsible gun owner"

If he had a mental illness then, legally, the gunman's responsibility will be diminished as he was incapable of taking full responsibility for his actions.

Anyway, the answer will somehow be more guns required.

The guy offered himself up to mental health services cause he was disconnecting from reality. Read about things like schizophrenia and such, when such things go unmedicated then things can rapidly go wrong. This includes killing loved ones and they absolutely feel remorse after the fact when they get treatment. If this is the case in this scenario, then yep it's more complex than being an evil arsehole.

The issue here is if the mental health facility story is true, he wasn't kept in a facility and treated. Instead he was released and could home to an armory. At least if the latter wasn't available, his damage would have been limited.

Thats bizarre, and a very American approach to gun laws.

I doubt they could do anything if push came to shove on any gun law change - I would imagine any governmental decision to restrict guns in Ireland would easily have cross party support and a significant majority of the publics approval.

Bizarre is putting it lightly and I say that as a shooting enthusiast.

How do you explain the mass shootings that have happened in all the other countries?

The simple reason most of them happen in the USA is the easy availability of semi automatic and fully automatic rifles. Over there people have a right to own them and they can even be bought in low price supermarkets that sell bread and milk.

Thankfully here gun ownership is a privilage and not a right but that doesn't mean nut jobs can't get their hands on them.

Mass shootings in the US are uncommon and when they do occur it's often in gang or domestic violence situations. The chance of a law abiding person being shot in a mass shooting as they go about their business or attend school/college etc. is small. They are in no way comparable to RTAs over here.

565 mass shooting incidents so far this year in the US which given the definition of a mass shooting, don't necessarily result in multiple or any fatalities.. I have seen figures which estimate the number of fatalities per incident as about 1.2

The number of deaths in mass shooting is dwarfed by the overall number of gun related deaths which is about 45,000 per year of which about 25,000 are gun suicides. Number of deaths on US roads is about 42,000. Deaths from cancer around 600,000. Total deaths around 3.2 million.

They're so uncommon that you can't even start a new thread on Boards.ie about one, they are now all confined to a Megathread.

Did I mention anything about comparing the US with any other country. The people making comparisons are others in this thread - such as the poster who thinks that US mass shootings are "as common-place as RTAs over here". Clearly nonsense no matter whether taking about deaths or incidents. About 2 mass shootings per day in the US this year. In a country of 330 million people. Deaths from mass shootings make up about 2% of gun deaths and about 0.03% of overall deaths. Yeah, mass shootings and mass shooting deaths in the US are uncommon.

The reason that media and posters in this forum are obsessed with US mass shootings is because both US politics and disaster porn is a form of entertainment,

Not a word about the 25,000 people that take their own lives using guns each year in the US. Or the 42,000 that die on US roads.

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22 innocent people murdered, dozens injured, the suspect is still on the loose and people discussing it on a discussion forum are "obsessed"?

If you want to start threads on American people that commit suicide by guns or die in road traffic accidents feel free to start two new threads because it has the square root of f**k all to do with this discussion.

No, I compared - just not the comparison you wanted to use. I don't care if it sounds unscientific.

Sounds like you think it was incorrect to describe mass shooting deaths (0.03% of US overall mortality and 2% of gun deaths) as "uncommon". Everyone's entitled to their opinion even if they have an unusual interpretation of what constitutes common and uncommon.

PS Do you think that US mass shootings are as common place as RTAs in this country as per one poster? Do you think that people in the US should be anxious about sending their children to school due to mass shootings as per other posters?

The reason we need a Megathread on these incidents is because of the disaster porn fans itching to start a politically charged thread every time something happened in the US. As for the thread title and me bringing in other causes of death - I thought you wanted comparisons? Maybe you should ask the mods to change the title to "US Mass Shootings vs Other Country Mass Shootings Because That's What Boggles Wants"?

Brian, just let whatever argument you are trying to create go. It's a ridiculous question like some of your other contributions to the thread.

Why do they feel the only option is to murder people they don't know though?

If you are depressed, fed up with the world etc, why not just go get your gun and kill yourself? End it.

Why the need to go out and kill dozens of innocent people?

Because notoriety. They will get their names all across the world news, and their sad lives won't have passed unknown.

Time to stop naming them.

The average mass shooting in the US doesn't end up with 22 dead either. Not even close.

As can be seen from the above page via a simple word search, a large number of US mass shootings happen at a "party". Other keywords to search include "domestic", "gang" and "school".

Anyway, there are plenty of reasons why other cause of death (including suicide and road deaths) in the US are relevant to any discussion on gun deaths and gun violence in the US. Individualism, culture, health and social care, drug use, inequality, poverty etc.

That's if people want to try to discuss and understand what's happening - which of course they don't, they want to entertain themselves and sneer at political opponents.

I don't care if it sounds unscientific.

Clearly.

 If you meet the basic criteria

The criteria sounds quite sensible comparted to parts of America.

Proposals to require background checks for private gun sales and create a 72-hour waiting period for gun purchases failed earlier this year. Proposals that focused on school security and banning bump stocks failed in 2019.

Residents have also voted down some attempts to tighten gun laws in Maine. A proposal to require background checks for gun sales failed in a 2016 public vote

The point is that the basic criteria are about the same as in a lot of parts of the US as well.

Just to obtain a gun?

After you pass all the criteria, it takes 30 days to get a permit, you then need to register the firearm within 10 days with the police.

I very much that is the norm in large parts of the states.

In Maine there is no background checks and

A Maine law enacted in 2015 allows people who are at least 21 years old to carry a concealed handgun without a permit. Those between the ages of 18 and 20 are required to have a permit to carry concealed, according to state law.