Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

No but it doesn't change the overall equation, it Hamas survive then Israel's existence is not guaranteed.

It's much bigger than the fate of 220 people.

It certainly would ease the load on the Palestinian people but Hamas don't want to do that, that's against their own equation and reasoning.

If hamas agreed to allow 2 a week of approx 200 civies that would be nearly 2 years for a ceasefire that would reward the oct 7 massacre but it would save 10,000 Palestinian children of course there is a wiff of untouchability about hamas terrorist org, setting a new president for acceptance of jadhadi actions anywhere in the world

Palestinian want there own land, "israel" Iran is the elephant in the room here.

Yes. Bibi has tied his fate to destroying Hamas. So even if Hamas release all the hostages I don't think him and Gallant are going to agree to another long term ceasefire with Hamas. I think aside from the pressure from America to hold off on a ground invasion, Israel might be coming around to the idea of sealing off gaza and conducting special forces raids to free hostages. These incursions we see into Gaza could be really about testing how much strength Hamas have left to fight , before sending special forces on deeper missions into Gaza.

You are partially correct, if Israel agrees to a ceasefire it is a victory for Hamas, but the idea that Hamas continuing on is a threat to the existence of Israel is incorrect. Israel has one of the most powerful armies in the world backed up by the most powerful army in the world . Hamas therefore can never be a threat to the existence of Israel. However Israel and America are a huge threat to other actors in the region if they are daft enough to escalate this to a wider war. Iran knows this which is why according to various intelligence agencies it has no desire for a direct confrontation with Israel. This is why there will be no wider war in the region.

Isrealis aren't good at diplomacy, alright.

To be a bit balanced here. The current Isreali government is the most ultra-right of all governments in a democratic country anywhere on the planet right now. And that's one of the reasons why this disaster with Hamas happened, it's not a coincidence. When Benjamin Netanyahu lost his coalition potential, he reached out to the extremists as coalition partners to give him the necessary fourteen seats in the Knesset. This is how Itamar Ben Gvir, who in his youth was not accepted into the army for being too radical and has zero experience in security, became the Minister of Internal Security. They are incompetent people who have absolutely no business in those positions. We saw the result the day of the attack from Gaza that no one expected. As we know these kind of lunatics are useless while in government - see Salvini etc.

It's a warning to everyone - don't elect extremists and never ever let them into the government.

"Without the hostages, without the raping of women and the beheading of children by Hamas, we wouldn't have a conflict."

So why were there 60-65 kids killed in the West Bank by Israel since january?

You think they'll nuke Palestine? My God, that would be perpetrating a holocaust against the Palestinians!

And you think that's their only option? To eliminate the Palestinian people?

Maybe do some research yourself?

Hamas themselves claim it to be 500km.

Oh god no. I donth think that. Just I wonder if a time came whereby an Arab league threatened to anihilate Israel, would they do that as a last resort.

According to some arguments I've read on here: their crime is being born Gazan and Arab, no chance of parole because of Islam, and therefore it's the responsibility of Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, ie. Arab/Muslim nations based on this abject argument of sectarian and racial bigotry, to accept 2 million+ diaspora as deportees/expatriated prisoners.

So you're just throwing out a number like 300km with absolutely no clue. Thanks for confirming the lack of confirmation.

Which is all a roundabout way to say, that the suggestion that Hamas is a "duly elected" body, recognized by anyone, least of all here, is a load of horse manure.

Never said recognized. Duly elected for sure; no election tampering, USB sticks stuck into voting machines :) nothing. It is the government the Gazans voted for in 2006.

Yeah, too bad it's a terrorist organization dedicated to spreading Jihad and eliminating Israel. Catchy election slogan I guess in 2006.

Do you have any verification for the claim that they are being "as precise as they can?" "As surgical as possible?" Canard.

The "Hamas Targets?" This is what the IDF describes a Hamas Target as, per Reuters: "The military has said the homes where militants live are "legitimate targets" even if civilians live alongside them"

What definition of slaughter are you reading from?