Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Videos from Hamas GoPro's published; Hamas wanted to kill everyone, not just military like they're claiming. War crimes galore:

Retaliate against Hamas all day every day, don't drop 500lb bombs on civilian infrastructure killing innocent men, women, children.

It's not that hard to understand.

land grab yet again - pure and simple

The number of troops and logistics required to maintain the Gaza settlements was deemed to be unsustainable. The resources were redirected to the West Bank, along with the 'setllers'. It also wrongfooted the Palestinians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3720176.stm

Add in the increasing trade, the increasing work permits, Hamas lulled Israel Into a false sense of security, that they wanted normality, a better economic future.

They should have know better, Hamas think in terms of eternity, not life times.

When Israel withdrew from Gaza they left lots of turnkey agri businesses, massive glass houses and irrigation systems, highly profitable businesses, all destroyed as they had been built by Jewish hands and that was enough taint in Palestinian eyes.

That is so utterly naive that it defies comprehension.

1. Sanctions? How the hell will sanctions work? You are one of the ones complaining that Israel is blocking fuel and water supplies to Gaza. That is a sanction, and so far Hamas haven't surrendered, so any sanctions would have to be more severe than the ones you are complaining about!!!
2. Mossad? Do you understand how the tunnel system works. Designed and set up to use civilians as shields. Hamas leaders cower in the tunnels, knowing that an awful lot of civilians will need to be killed to get to them, no matter who goes in. Israel, by demanding civilians leave northern Gaza, took a route to remove the civilian shields that Hamas hide behind and minimise civilian casualties.
3. This does not make any sense. The Palestinians want the elimination of Israel and all the Jews, they have consistently voted for that ideology. Hamas is their chosen way, they voted for them. So the only way that Israel shows the Palestinians they don't need Hamas, is by going away.

No, the route to peace is simple. Release all the hostages without conditions. Hand over Hamas leadership and those involved in 7/10 to the International Criminal Court for trial. Recognise Israel's right to exist.

"if the International community and by and large Israel, supported the Palestinian civilians, respected the agreed borders, assisted them with aid, education, opportunity etc Hamas would never have the foothold they have now."

Surely that's blindingly obvious to anyone capable of rational thought.

If you stop oppressing people, if you stop brutalising them, if you stop violently taking their homes and forcing them into what everyone openly describes as an "open air prison" despite the fact they committed no crime other than being the wrong ethnicity and being indigenous to the land you've decided to steal, if you stop murdering their friends and family routinely because they dared step too close to a fence you erected to pen them in or dared to peacefully protest against their treatment, if you stop describing them as "animals" and deliberately dehumanising them at every turn, if you stop creating massive bureaucratic systems specifically designed to segregate them, to stop them from moving freely or working freely or even having the freedom to supply their own running water, then those people will be less likely in their desperation to turn to extremists as their only possible option to try to change something for the better. If you'd even just stop murdering defenceless innocent children in their thousands that would be a start.

With our own history in Ireland and how peace was achieved we can see this. The IRA would be stronger than ever right now had the UK acted with the sort of barbaric brutality that Israel routinely does.

Russia is effectively an ally of Hamas and Iran. It all comes back to Russia, including the events in the Middle East. Russian involvement with Syria. Russian involvement with Iran and proxies such as Hamas. The risk of a wider conflict comes from Russia and Iran, not Israel. That is why the US has sent forces to the Middle East to deter that.

They are meeting in Moscow at the moment.

https://www.barrons.com/news/hamas-iran-officials-in-moscow-for-talks-301d7d6a

see your third point? there haven't been elections in gaza since 2006.

as for the way to peace, what you've just described is a surrender, and a surrender is no basis for peace.

250 lawyers submit legal advice to UK government that they must act or they will be in breach of the Geneva conventions.

Letter in full. KC is a King's counsellor

Anyone revolted against Hamas? No.

If there are such fierce resistance fighters why they didn't revolt against Hamas? Why they didn't reach out to the other side for negotiations? They agree with Hamas and they celebrate their terrorism.

Hamas/Gaza had plenty of opportunities to find a solution since 2006, didn't they? They rejected all of them. They chose a coup, violence, war and terror repeatedly (see the stats below). They want to destroy Israel as an entity, they don't want to negotiate, they don't want to compromise on a two-state solution. OK, but then if you repeatedly attack a neighbouring soveign state and maintain that the state should cease to exist what do you expect the state will do? Thank you for that? Everything is of their own making. If a two-state solution not acceptable - they will get nothing in the end. They overplayed their hand hugely and all of the people of Gaza will suffer because of it.