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Over 200,000 Spanish Minors Sexually Abused by Roman Catholic Clergy

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  • 27-10-2023 2:11pm
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    Posts: 13,688 Nathan Salty Vacuum


    The sheer scale of the depravity of the Catholic Church worldwide knows no end.

    And the more haunting thing is, it's many magnitudes worse than any estimate could possibly come close to.


    Spain’s parliament in March 2022 overwhelmingly approved the creation of an independent commission led by the ombudsman to “shed light” on allegations of sexual abuse of “defenceless boys and girls” in the Catholic church.


    Spain’s Catholic church, which for years flatly refused to carry out its own inquiry, declined to take part in the independent investigation, although it did cooperate by providing documents on cases of sexual abuse that had been collected by dioceses.


    As political pressure mounted, in February 2022 it tasked a private law firm with an “audit” into past and present sexual abuse by clergy, teachers and others associated with the church, which should be completed by the end of the year.


    The Spanish church said in June that it had discovered 927 cases of child abuse through a complaints procedure launched in 2020. It argues it has set up protocols for dealing with sexual abuse and has set up “child protection” offices within dioceses.

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    an investigation by the top-selling daily newspaper El País that began in 2018 has since uncovered 2,206 victims and 1,036 alleged abusers dating back to 1927.

    “According to experts, this is just the tip of the iceberg,” the newspaper wrote on Friday before the report was published.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Surely organisations that allow things like this to happen should be disbanded.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    My family wonder why I won't baptise my kids and then the subsequent communion confirmation palava.

    This right here, an organisation rotten to the core. Why when, my generation especially, know the facts would you want your kids to be part of that community. *


    * I do appreciate that faith brings comfort to a lot of people and I'll never run that down. Plus there are some really genuinely good clergy....but nope not for me!



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,914 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Yeah disbanded in its current form. A celibate life just isn't right and mostly attracted paedophiles who knew they'd be able to have unfettered access to our children, where even when caught the hierarchy in the church was happy to turn a blind eye.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    The sad thing is that I’m not even shocked.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,613 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Pure evil. There's no other way to put it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Catholic church and sex abuse

    America and mass shootings

    Both totally horrific but only get an eye roll when I see the headline



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,500 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    More par for the course from this completely backwards and sinister organization. The RCC have done nothing but pure evil and should be on trial for crimes against humanity.

    And if anyone tries to step in and try to defend them or throw in a bit of whataboutery, take a long look at yourself in the mirror.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    They should no longer be involved in the running and ownership of schools and hospitals. Not allowed members or preach to anyone under 18 too.

    The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,500 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Just like I said, whataboutery in a thread about the abuse of children. Sickening.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,188 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I honestly think you need a special form of blinkers to enter the church or have your children take part in Roman sacraments these days. I don't know how people do it given the continuing legacy of that dispicable organisation. And don't tell me the church aren't hiding abuse crimes that have not been uncovered yet.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    It would be "interesting" to know when the abuse started, as a whole within the Roman Catholic church.

    I've a bit of an interest in art history and I remember reading that during the Renaissance paedophilia wasn't considered a thing. Homosexuality was against the law as a man had to be submissive to another man however men could happily engage with young boys, I don't think it was even considered sex....think of all the little cherubs in the paintings.

    The pope's in renaissance times were as corrupt as they come. I would wonder if certain practices remained through the centuries. Doing to the next generation what was done to them. Everything happened behind protected closed doors.

    Not making an excuse or anything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Big families in the old days, chances are an 'odd' son or daughter, or two amongst them. To hide the 'family shame' they were 'encouraged' into the Church. A couple of years later instant power bestowed upon them to 'lord' it over the community they were sent to 'serve'. And we're shocked and surprised with the outcome of it all?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'd say the fact that the higher ups in the org happily covered it up is the most disturbing aspect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    It used to be quite common that the favourite son would become a doctor, and the idiot brother would be sent off to the priesthood.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,789 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Absolutely terrible to think that so many of them have got away with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,489 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    That's a lot more than 1400; bomb them? /s



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,444 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Yet our President deems it appropriate to have his fourth private audience with the pope last week. He's a real champion of social justice our Michael. Shame on him.....

    https://president.ie/en/media-library/news-releases/president-higgins-to-meet-with-pope-francis-in-the-vatican-oct-2023



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I really don't understand why the government in Ireland doesn't tax all assets and revenue belonging to all religious institutions in Ireland.

    There would be zero to lose from such a policy and in the case of the catholic church it could work as a form of reparations for the negative influence (admittedly helped by the general population and politicians) that the catholic church has had on Ireland since independence.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Well if you are going to charge them for the "negative influence", would that mean they are entitled to bill the State for anything they did? The State stepped aside and outsourced many social responsibilities to them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭rogber


    If the Catholic church wasn't the Catholic church it would undoubtedly be banned as a perverse, abusive cult.

    Yet year on year most Irish persons born Christian themselves keeps up the same moronic rituals of baptism, communion, confirmation for their kids, and the inevitable Christmas day mass, largely for social conformity. The idiocy and ideological blindness of human beings never ceases to amaze



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    No because the church don't control the laws and taxation of the country so if they did try something like that they could be told to piss off.

    You could easily pass legislation allowing for a tax on the church's assets to be applied.It would have a lot of public support.If business have to pay tax why the hell should the church not pay any, they could easily have their not for profit status removed.

    Post edited by Jack Daw on


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I think you might be overestimating the role of the church.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    And yet the people who say what you say are the same people that go on about being "spiritual" and follow "spiritual influencers" on instagram and tiktok.

    Do you think that the Jewish religion should be banned? There's probably not a lot of synagogues in Ireland so would you be in favour of starting there as a trial run?


    Just to be clear, I don't think you should. But often people think they are being trendy or edgy by ranting about one religion, but won't apply that consistently



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Thing is, that role often allowed the perpetrating of abuse and cover up of said abuse. So there's a pretty good argument that they failed in their duty and I'm reasonably sure they never want that discussion to open up any more. Plus the billion euro in damages that they've never made any effort to pay.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Yes, I know the state and the Irish people themselves outsourced responsibilities to the church when they shouldn't have (as I mentioned in my post) but the priests, christian brothers, nuns etc still were the ones who were abusing children and covering it up.They weren't forced to abuse children by anyone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,963 ✭✭✭furiousox


    The world's largest organised paedophile ring.

    Vile organisation, the sooner it dies off for good in this country, the better.

    CPL 593H



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    The celibacy life is mind boggling in one way. Regardless of sexuality. It's all to do with inheritance. Sure weren't the apostles married and had kids.

    Pope's were living it up with multiple partners.

    The Catholic Church is basically an mnc. Loaded beyond belief.

    Have your faith and enjoy it. Fair play to anyone who has.just don't annoy me about it.

    I've met some amazingly sound priests and nuns, so it's a very small minority who are disgusting child molesting scumbags.

    Not getting at you by the way. Just ranting.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    It would be very interesting to see how many would identify as RC if they had to pay tax to support the church.

    Absolutely rotten to the core while preaching Christian values. I'd say a lot more will come out in time, the missionaries must have had a field day abusing poor, uneducated children.



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