Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Would be more interesting to see what's going in Abbas' head and Fatah in generally. They're keeping very low profile. Probably "wait and see" tactic.

They might secrently be thinking and hoping Israel cleanses Gaza of Hamas for them. It would be better for them too and they can't do it themselves.

Before this occurred, one could go to places like Tel Aviv and enjoy a vibrant nightlife, good food of all types, restaurants, bars, nightclubs, beaches.

El Al started flying to Dublin.

Even Cryanair was flying to Tel Aviv.

Arabs had /have a say in the Israeli government.

Tens of thousands of Palestinians were granted visas to work in Israel to earn money and provide for their families.

Israel worked to establishing peaceful links with many countries in the Middle East.

Israeli's were able to travel to Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, the UAE etc. AND vice versa.

For the first time ever things were on course for an eventual move to stabilisation of links, business and tourism in the ME.

Then HAMAS had to go and feck it up.

In my view this comes down to Islamic fundamentalism, Islamic ideology and straight out brainwashing from birth.

As a person of colour, I encounter this on a daily basis in Ireland. All one has to do is understand Arabic/Urdu and relate to people and their intrinsic views come out almost immediately.

"Arabs had /have a say in the Israeli government."

Palestinians with israeli citizenship can be elected to the knesset. The millions in the West Bank, Golan, Gaza didn't and don't.

Maybe some Irish people would want to cop on, particularly the modern left leaning folks working for US multinationals.

Some people were shocked when Cosgrove learned an important lesson in minding his own business and not having a pop at Israel.

Remind us again how many Irish work for Dell, Google, Intel, Cisco, Facebook, Oracle?

And how many people realise the founders or cofounders and even current chairperson/ceo are Jewish or of Jewish ancestry?

If Ireland choses, at the beshest of the virtue signalers, to start a dispute with Israel there will be one winner.

It's a turkey shoot Gatling - largely defenceless fish in a barrel. Shocking level of disproportionality. I've been critical of the UN in relation to the Russian invasion but even the UN is truly shocked at what is going on there. A stain on humankind that will never be wiped off.

There's a bunch of (presumably unemployed, therefore getting paid by Irish state revenues which largely derive from MNCs) PBP scruffs protesting outside Wix earlier today.

Shocking. I had to tell the driver to take the Bentley round by the docks instead.

UN debate about to start with a possible vote expected 7pm GMT

I have no wish to comment on the rights or wrongs of the current awful situation that is unfolding over there but however I have two questions about how this situation was allowed to unfold.

1 / In an area as small as Gaza that is under permanent blockade how can Hamas manage to import or manufacture what looks like an unlimited amount of rockets , weapons and explosives. ?.

2 / How did Israel who pride itself on the efficiency of its security and military systems fail to see the impending invasion. ? If you consider the amount of planning and logistics required to pull off such an operation the failure to spot its preparation is inexplicable.

Careful now, ye might break my hyperbole meter with that sort of talk.

The real antisemitism is going around and keeping tabs on which companies are “Jewish or not”

Yes a handful of savage people won't be able to control a full country without significant support from the rest of the people, and this applies to both Afghanistan and Palestine.

These things are only inexplicable if you believe the steady stream of propaganda you've been fed about 'the world's biggest open air prison'.

So you’re basically after saying the people in the Nazi controlled ghettos could have just risen up no I don’t think so. Rebellions require resources which the Gazans don’t have either. Certainly the US are major architects of regime change all over the world but not Hamas for some reason. It plays to their interests to keep this current quagmire. As long as it ensures all the wheels are nice and oiled. As though Hamas, who as we are repeatedly told has no regard for its peoples lives, who butcher babies and throw gays off building rooftops, would just give over and dissolve if thousands of old women nagged them to death and little children threw rocks at them.

you are factually incorrect.

israel's genocide has no legitimacy under any circumstances and is going against all of the rules of war.

the way to end this war is for israel to be forced back within it's original borders via america cutting support and the bds movement.

then once that is done and a palestinian state established, what remains of hamas can be dealt with via a UN peace keeping force.