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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Not sure if that's a dig or not. Or where yer getting the double standards? Care to elaborate?

    We tax the renewables too don't we? I don't get what yer on about here now



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Ford are cutting back the pace of their EV investment plans.

    I think VW are doing the same. Competition from the likes of Tesla (I'd never buy a Tesla and be at the mercy of a billionaires whims via a SW push) and the cheaper Chinese models (though the EU are planning to tax those to death to keep EU motor manufacturers competitive) is hitting the existing car companies hard. Having said that, Ford say that one of the reasons is people aren't willing to pay the EV premium as one of the reasons in cutting back. Maybe thy shouldn't have a premium



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If you make decisions on only subsets of excerpts of information, that's on you



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    More details on the retrofit loans

    They will be available from Jan, be approx 2% lower than market rates, be available through multiple lenders, cover amounts from 5k to 75k and be payable over a period up to 10 years.

    This is excellent news and will open up the option of retrofitting to a great deal more people



  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Good on you, quite correct to analyse the data for yourself to make sure nobody is exaggerating the data - too much of that going on I'm sure you'd agree.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The ECB rate is currently at 4.25 with no signs of slowing down anytime soon. Even getting a loan at the current rate would still lead to hefty interest repayments. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    It still should be good news. Depends on the rates though and the Ts & Cs. If it encourages some people to take on the work then that's a positive for sure. There's plenty we can kick the greens, the government and posters on here for, but when good news, and a sensible thing comes along then that should be acknowledged as such.



  • Registered Users Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    I take it you don’t live in Bloody Foreland?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Seems we have more trees, and are capturing more carbon than we thought

    Looks like if trees were outside of forests, they weren't counted. Ya'd wonder how this stuff happens

    At the country scale, we ranked the top five countries having the highest contribution of non-forest trees for different GLULCs to the national biomass stocks. Ireland was ranked first, with 16.5% of the tree biomass located outside forests

    Does this mean our carbon estimations are incorrect?

    Many European countries comprise large agricultural and urban landscapes, and the exclusion of trees outside forests from systematic carbon stock assessment potentially implies a bias in national inventories and also affects scientific studies and climate models using only closed forest areas as input 

    Feed models incorrect data, get incorrect outputs



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You choose to isolate yourself away from services and amenities, don't complain when you have no services and amenities 🤷‍♂️



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  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Not surprised by this, the methodology used in alot of scenarios and also in predictions of Climate Change have been questionable to say the least. With a minor fudge here, a slight exaggeration there, a homogenisation of data everywhere - one wouldn't blame you for questioning the whole damn lot.

    I suppose we seen something similar during covid - worst case scenario and doom merchants everywhere you turned. Alot of them got it wildly wrong and have now hitched their wagon to climate change too. Nomads looking for a home.



  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Nobody 'chooses' to be born into and reared in an area. What a condescending thing to say. People live in remote areas for all sorts of reasons - to be near family, easy to check in on elderly family members, love for the place, community, friends, etc...

    What the greens and their merry band of supporters advocate for people who live in remote areas is borderline sadistic - up sticks and move to a city. Leave your homeland to the wolves and brambles. Bleak.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    Any chance of an early election so we can once and for all get rid of the green gobshites



  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    I doubt it, Eamon Ryan was interviewed earlier this week and asked his thoughts on the next election. He's confident they'll return the same numbers at least and that they'd talk to ANY party about forming government again post-election. They are like a certain profession in a certain district of Amsterdam, their door is open for them to jump into bed with any party as long as they're in power too. Sums them up nicely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    Are there any Green TDs elected in your constituency? If not, how are you going to get rid of them? Opposition to the Green agenda in the Dail mostly comes from independent TDs. Follow the money, If there happens to be a trough, there will be pigs. Why do American billionaires channel money into a bundling eNGO called the European Climate Foundation that dishes it out to other eNGOs? A local eNGO bundler is the Irish Environmental Network (IEN) and there is the Green party eNGO called An Taisce. Do you think these people are going to vote against their interests? That's quite a volunteer network the Greens have on the ground to knock on peoples doors. The people who vote for the Green are happy to continue doing so, remember, they actually think that mankind can control the climate, if they can only force everyone to consume the approved products. When Eamon Ryan wants to let wolves lose on rural Ireland, he is appealing to people in urban areas who think rural Ireland should be turned into a wildlife theme park like they saw on National Geographic or Discovery channel.

    The people who absorb the cost of green policies don't vote for them, however, of the political parties they vote for, all subscribe to the green agenda. Why? There is money in it and it does not cost them votes. It was FF who signed us up to the Kyoto protocol, and FG who signed us up to the Paris agreement. It does not matter who we elect, Irish laws are set by the EU and those politicians are pushing European federation by means of the green new deal. As you can see from the Dutch example it will take another political party that draws votes again from FF/FG and Sinn Fein before they will stop, alternatively the lack of affordable energy will continue to drive down productivity contributing to a financial crisis.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,419 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    A higher percentage of the lowest number is still a low number



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,419 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There was a post yesterday about the Oil industry making massive profits, and the response was ' but oil companies always make enormous profits'

    And yet you think the greens are the ones with snouts in the trough

    (or climate scientists)



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭creedp




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Migration from rural areas has been happening since the industrial revolution



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭Zico


    What does the biggest opposition party in the country think about the "Green Agenda"?


    Has anyone seen them lately?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    That is all true and depressing. What happensvib The Netherlands remains to be seen. The green transition aspect is still there in the new parties ( BBB and NSC) but they wont be blindly following EU rules. I sense a general growing doubt about 'renewables' and these parties actually have some clear thinking people in them and are likely to support awareness of transition conciousness and the cost involved.

    In my eyes the current green route is bound to grind to a halt at some point no matter how much virtual money will be thrown at it. Reality will eventually trump idiocy. It just takes time. The real tragedy is that with increasing demand of hydro carbons those recources will become finite earlier and that a real long term form of sensible energy policy will be hampered by violence of powerful actors to retain resources, old style with war.

    In a way the world has been spoiled by easy oil. 'Just stop oil' or green tech are not going to fix the underlying issues. They are too narrow concepts proposed by people who have clearly not thought things through. The lack of understanding by the general public and politicians is staggering but id say the main thing is that doubt has crept in about the green transitition and that other, more pressing matters will be increasingly become important. That's why the greens need a type of fascism currently in action in EU/UN institutions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,559 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    ESBN are just a distribution company and own the transmission system (weird arrangements meaning Eirgrid are the only Transmission company in Europe that don't own their own network). ESBN get a small return on their asset base - maybe 6%?

    It's the others within the group that are making the profits:

    • Electric Ireland - energy supplier, doing very well for themselves but about to reduce rates (slightly)

    • ESB International - consultancy, in demand at present, doing OK by international standards

    • Northern Ireland Electricity equivalent of ESBN

    • ESB Telecom - fiber supplier

    • ESB Generation and Wholesale Markets - these are the ones turning extremely large profits through their generation portfolio. Huge questions should be asked over Turlough Hill being used to drive higher profits rather than smooth the peaks and fill the valleys.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    We all need the products derived from hydrocarbons to support our standard of living, the productivity the end products enable is the reason Western governments can tax us so heavily, that taxation does have it's breaking point. So yeah, there will always be demand for oil and oil companies in a good year will make profits. Since you are concerned all of a sudden with balance sheets, why are you not panicking at the losses being incurred and the dependency on industrial production from one country that does not subscribe to EU rules.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Never said it wasn't happening, but rural areas are not depopulated either after 200 years - much to your despise I suppose. The Greens remind me of a modern-day Cromwell - to hell or to a city.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,038 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Over 95% of Irish citizens live in urban dwellings. The abandonment of the country already happened.

    As was said if you choose to live in the countryside you forgo the comforts of the urban amenities.

    This is why this Green is moving back to the town after 25years of rural living.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not at all. You wish to stay in the sticks, stay in the sticks, however, as I said, don't be surprised when you have f all services and amenities



  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Incorrect with 'over 95%' because 64% is the percentage of the population living in urban settlements. Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/455844/urbanization-in-ireland/

    However, the numbers of people living in rural locations are increasing:

    Ireland rural population for 2022 was 1,822,006, a 0.31% increase from 2021.

    Ireland rural population for 2021 was 1,816,369, a 0.24% increase from 2020.

    Ireland rural population for 2020 was 1,812,037, a 0.35% increase from 2019.

    Ireland rural population for 2019 was 1,805,722, a 0.73% increase from 2018.

    Source: Ireland Rural Population 1960-2023 | MacroTrends

    Rural Ireland is far from being abandoned of people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Lovely 'inclusive' attitude you've got going on there.

    If you live 'in the sticks' you can basically go do one if you think you're getting services and amenities.

    Do you extend the same attitudes to the people who built houses on flood plains in the likes of Midleton - 'well you built a house there don't be surprised when you have f all after it floods.'

    Nope, that's the fault of the guy out in the sticks too.

    Your despise for rural Ireland and it's people knows no bounds, and not surprising either. It's a position in common with pretty much every other greenie I happen to hear from.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    In parallel, I came across this today, an interview between a German 30 something year old academic who remains anonymous and Irina Slav. Considering the topics he took on during the lockdown, it is not surprising he remains largely unknown. I agree with much of his observations in this interview., you can listen or read it..

    7. You’ve argued that the current crop of politicians in government in Germany are rather stupid and ignorant, and that’s putting it mildly. We can see this stupidity and ignorance – including of fundamental physical facts – well represented elsewhere as well. How did we come to this?


    For a long time now, the developed Western world has experienced a diffusion of power, out from the ranks of the political arm, into the state bureaucratic institutions, the press, academia and the corporate sector.


    Today, state actions are shaped not only by elected politicians, but by an ever-growing horde of civil servants, NGOs, philanthropists, think tanks, journalists, nebulous stakeholders, intellectuals, advisory bodies and corporations.


    The precipitous decline in the quality of politicians reflects their increasing unimportance and their growing role as mere conduits for policies that are developed elsewhere. A historical parallel would be the emergence of mentally feeble or child rulers among the Merovingians and the Fatimids, as court advisors seized power for themselves. source

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So melodramatic 🙄

    Simply put, the pattern of ribbon development prevents the provision of services and amenities to a high level as its

    • not physically possible
    • not financially viable

    You may not like it, but thats the fact.

    If you wish to take offense at this fact that is something for you to deal with

    One example, the provision of ambulance services in the Connemara region. It has a population equivalent to Galway city and its representatives demand a service that is on par with the city despite it not being physically possible to the nature of development that has been allowed and the size of the area.

    If on the other hand, rural development had been confined to the towns and villages, the you would have sufficient density to be able to provide more services



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