Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Yeah but how many Israeli citizens have been killed?

What Hamas did to Israeli citizens back at beginning of October was terrible - a lot of bloodshed. And we'll park the reasons behind this. It was expected that Israel would retaliate and kill a couple of thousand people in Gaza. An eye for an eye in their book. But instead they have lost all reason and are bent on annihilation. Their response is completely and utterly disproportionate. And at least part of the reason for this is that Netanyahu thinks he has to show himself to be strong, in order to save his own pathetic political skin.

There are many Jewish people appalled at what Israel is doing. And it is up them worldwide to stand up and march on their own embassies and demand a cessation. I had Jewish lads in school with me, as good as any other and I'd have no problem with them, still know them via social media. But it is the state of Israel that has increasingly become a cancer.

Israel was on the way to normalising relations with more and more other states in the Middle East. This is not the actions of a 'cancer' state, whatever that abhorrent term means.

So frankly your description of Israel as a 'cancer' is as utterly wrong as it is utterly offensive. You well know that if Hamas and Iran and their allies had their way, if Israel's defences failed, there would be a second Holocaust.

We saw what happened on October 7th, the echoes of SS death squads going door to door brutalising and brutally killing defenceless civilians with no pretext of any military target. These are not freedom fighters. These are murderers bent on exterminating Jews and infidels.

Israel is defending itself. Hamas have turned Gaza into an armed camp and bunker, used it to launch attacks against Israel from built up areas. This is on Hamas.

The US, this past week elected as speaker of the House of Representatives, a man who has said that if anyone wants to understand his philosophy on anything all they have to do is read the Bible. His wife apparently runs a therapy business that equates homosexuality with beastiality. He has Saud that marriage is only acceptable if it's between a man and a woman.

Evangelical Christians in that country have said that the government should be directed by the church.

Countries such as Hungary, Russia (obviously) and even Poland in recent years have shown themselves to view gay people as inferior.

Anyone here over the age of 30 lived in an Ireland in which it was illegal to perform homosexual activity.

He'll, prominent posters supporting Israel here spent a lot of time on this platform targeting trans people.

So stop with this faux concern on behalf of gay people as to how they would be treated in Muslim countries.

Great post.

Looks like a pro Palestinian rally to me. What makes it anti-Israel in your mind?

I will take that as a No.

I have read about Mossad knowing everything Hamas is planning before but where were they when October 7th was being planned? Is there something they're not telling us now?

Well that's the question right? I'd say it's a mixed bag... Half of them probably doesn't even know why they are there..

Israel is a 1st world country where people actually have human rights and it is a liberal democracy (despite issues in the WB or the current government). You know like they can for example freely dance and be happy at an open-air festival before being murdered by Palestinian thugs.

In Israel all people including of any religious, political and sexual orientation are safe and free. And that includes Israeli Arabs. Thousand times more than in a theoretical Palestinian country and million times more than in Gaza.

It is absolutely certain that indeed independent Palestine would be an autocratic, islamist, corrupted, anti-democratic hell hole where people wouldn't be free - women would be abused, non-Muslims (and non-Arabs!) marginalised and persecuted, secularists and liberals jailed and oppressed. How can anyone in the democratic 1st world support this? I mean seriously, it's an insanity. I don't care about Palestinian "priority" if the above is almost certain outcome of the Palestinian end game.

Palestinians were Nazi allies during the WW2 and antisemites:

Hamas is an ally of Russia, Iran/Hesbollah and Syria - the most despicable ruthless autocratic regimes on the surface of the Earth. That enough is all one needs to know.

Everything else is just noise, whataboutism and nonsense.

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