Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Well thanks for telling us that you support all that is happening. Your post says everything.

The silence of the world, about the settlers, West Bank atrocities, shoot to maim, can and should never be forgotten. Ever. That's on us. There should be ramifications for that kind of behaviour towards human beings by a so called friendly state.

But the fault of this, is a little more nuanced than, we've been letting Israel away with it. Where would Israel be without the sophisticated Iron Dome? Where would Iran be, without the constant US military presence in the area? It's suited a lot of nations to have the US in that situation. Saudi for one. Egypt. Probably Syria.

The migrant crisis in Europe would pale in comparison to the exodus we would see from the Mid East towards Europe if things continue to destabilise. So, have the nations of the West, been allowing Israel away with one, because of the Holocaust, then no. I'd argue it wasn't.

And as for Von Der Leyen. She's just a moron. You have no evidence that she has anything resembling German guilt and that's drawing her conclusions. She's a moron, bathed in so called Euro diplomacy, that has her clouded in thinking first and foremost about European Jews. Nothing to do with her guilt.

Bare in mind. We might not have seen a lot of it in Ireland, but in Europe, and yes I include UK in this, there is a mahoosive rise in anti Semitic behaviour. And not just behaviour, but actions.

Abysmally incorrect reading of historical events. Conflating the causation and the effect. Also factually incorrect.

EU politicians are pro-Israel because it's a liberal democracy and a prosperous 1st world country (see GDP per capita, HDI etc), an island of freedom & prosperity in a sea of despotism, intolerance, violence, chaos and instability (Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, ISIS to name a few). Secondly, Israel is culturally much closer to Europe than Arabic countries. And finally, it's because despite several violations it's Israel and not Palestinians/Arabs who obliged to the original 1948 UN plan. The Arabs/Palestinians rejected it in 1948 and then once again few more times. It was Israel who made peace with Egypt, Jordan, who agreed to the Oslo accords etc. If it was left to the Arabs with no international mediation there would be no progress, no peace treaties, no accords and no Israel.

Long story short - despite violations Israel is in the right and making effort to resolve the issue long term as opposed to the Palestinians/Arabs. They never wanted a solution and want Israel simply go disappear (even today). They didn't get very far with that attitude,did they?

You don't have to be an Einstein to understand it. The Holocaust it's only a secondary element to this.

Nor would I even try. I don't control who attends or doesn't attend. Perhaps. just perhaps the extent and sheer brutality of what is happening and the faces of the terrified children and the little bodies lying on the streets or being carried at speed by grief stricken parents to over-crowded and resourceless hospitals that look like slaughter houses has had more impact on the marchers.

But this. But that. If you have to say but, you've no argument. Whataboutism fest.

In fact, it's Hamas, Hesbollah and Assad who are allies of Russia and use its ruthless tactics and propaganda. Not Israel. Your analogy with Russia is a bad joke and completely wrong. There's nothing in common between Israel and Russia.

There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Ukraine didn't attack Russia militarily. Russia annexed large parts of Ukraine, another sovereign state, and wages war on it for 2 years.

Hamas are actual Nazis who wish Israel to disappear from the map, all Jews to die and Israel cease to exist. They murdered thousands civilians, kidnapped hundreds, invaded another sovereign state militarily. Israel is not invading a sovereign state (as there's no state), is not annexing any territory. Israel is responding to attack on its sovereign territory.

What the hell are you comparing here?

Just for perspective, can you thus far list the politicians etc who have had their careers ended?

Your the only one banging on about the Holocaust in this context. Not everyone is Amy Schumer.

The OP is merely pointing out the accurate and truism that Israel is very aligned to Europe.

I don't support that. I never said that. I categorically reject attacking civilians. The small issue is that it's simply unavoidable in Gaza. And Hamas is consciously using this as a tactic. That's the reality. I believe all countries pro-Israel including are calling for avoiding civilian deaths. All what we can do.

Israel has to respond and secure their sovereign territory so that its citizens can live in peace free of Hamas thugs killing them. That's all what it is. Entirely Hamas' fault. In fact, this what they wanted and expected. And Hesbollah & Iran are waiting and evaluating if they should attack Israel from the North. In fact, if Israel doesn't respond strongly in Gaza, Hesbollah might attack Israel. That's the reality Israel is operating in. Surrounded by multiple hostile countries and elements. It has to fight literally for survival. Real politik. Beggars aren't choosers. Unlike the 1st world human rights armchair freedom fighters.

"Destruction of Palestine" - good joke given the history of last 70 years. Like annexation of Gaza by Egypt or the WB by Jordan? If it was for the Arabs there would be no peace treaties, no accords, no PNA, no Palestinian autonomy, and no Palestine!

It is difficult to destroy a terrorist group purely by force if you dont tackle the underlying reason why the terrorist group was created. Israel can kill the hamas leadership which i have no problem with but killing women and children is just going to recruit for the next terrorist group in gaza.

You are really showing your bias in the conflict if you can condemn hamas killing civilians but don't condemn Israel doing the same.