Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

That's some apologist BS.

Reality:

It's their own parents who makes them into that.

That has vastly more to do with the creation of Department of Homeland Security and a complete reimagining of the security holes that would allow such an attack to ever be carried out again.

The war on terror killed almost a million people directly, killed millions more indirectly, and resulted in 38 million displaced people. At over $8T.

It wasn't a good outcome in the name of 2,977 lives.

Russia has no interest in engaging in this war for reasons you think, due to the potential risks it poses to its ally, Syria, and its leader. Most of the weapons used by Hezbollah and the Syrian forces are believed to be supplied by Iran. This illicit network of smuggling allows Iran to smuggle large quantities of weapons and military equipment into Lebanon and Syria, bolstering the capabilities of these militant groups.A high-intensity war between Hezbollah in Lebanon has the potential to spread to Syria, where they also maintain a presence. The presence of Russian forces in Syria adds complexity to the situation, and there is a desire to avoid further US involvement in terms of airstrikes and bombings there against Assad and causing that state to fall apart.

Russia is home to one of the largest Jewish populations outside of Israel. The presence of Russian Jews among the Hamas hostages further adds to the complexity of the situation, emphasizing the need for immediate action by the Russians to secure their release. So that meeting had an agenda.

The reduced focus on Ukraine and the shifting American attention towards Israel yes does provide Russia with increased diplomatic breathing space. It is not correct to claim Russia wants instability in that region.

The ongoing situation involving Hamas can be viewed as a geopolitical affair, primarily due to Israel's efforts to normalize its relations with Arab and Muslim nations while distancing itself from Iran. As of now, Iran and its proxies have not shown any signs of normalizing ties, indicating their reluctance to support the peace process until they can secure their own interests. The action that took place on October 7th appears to have been a significant part of a larger operation aimed at permanently disrupting all ongoing peace talks. The action that occurred on October 7th went further than its initiators could have imagined, I think?

It is quite evident that countries that are normalizing ties with Israel are not expressing strong words of action, like Turkey or Iran. This lack of strong rhetoric may indicate that most Middle Eastern states are likely prepared to abandon Hamas and rid themselves of its influence. However, a complication arises due to the fact that the populations within these countries can be more militant than their rulers. This poses a challenge in terms of achieving a comprehensive resolution to the ongoing conflict. here with constant images of destruction on TV and civilian deaths.

Believe me Uncle, if you happened to be in Afghanistan at that time, ( as I was ) you would remember it twice as much.... LOL. Unforgettable, in fact!!!😅

But the problem is that these Islamists exist in many Country's, they are not just confined to Palestine ( unfortunately. See whats happening now in Makhachkala airport, Dagestan ) And we are seeing multiple well supported protests even in European city's. And while I'm not saying that all these protesters are hard line Islamists, you can be 100% sure that a % of them are. Just look at how vitriolic some of the speakers are.

And people will still tell us multicultural Europe is a eutpoia,it will start with Jews and then they will turn to other groups even those who wave their Palestinian flags or share trendy hashtags

In the name of 2977 lives? No idea why you seem so obsessed by numbers. You keep posting the number of people supposedly killed in Gaza as published by Hamas. Ad nauseam.

This is not a 1 for 1. This does not end when there is 1 person killed in Gaza for every 1 person murdered by Hamas in Israel on October 7th. You might as well stop those posts, they are meaningless and they don't accomplish anything.

I'm not an expert but from what I read, Muhammad married Aisha when he was about 50 and she was 6. He "consummated" the marriage (had sexual intercourse or in other words he raped her) when she was 9. Lovely chap. And this is not from some new woke ideas of what is appropriate. This was wrong back then too.

But America didn't start the war on terror in '93 with the trade center bombing that killed 6. Israel didn't go on a massive unprecedented bombing campaign on Gaza before when Hamas killed Israelis. So what made those 2 events (9/11 & Oct 7) different? Perhaps the massive loss of life? But that would be just being obsessed with numbers right?

Judaism or religion in general is not the issue here. This conflict is much more tribal / political in nature....it's definitely not about religious differences.

When you are fighting an enemy who believes that if he is killed fighting for Allah, then he will die a martyr and go straight to Heaven. Now there's an offer few could refuse!!! Actually, the real miracle is that not every Muslim in the world is taking up the offer. Even so, still too many do and will continue to do.

It certainly is. By the standards of most wars and especially Wars in that region, Israel are careful and mindful of civilian dead and I accept they rough and tough.

People still think of Palestine as dominated by left leaning movements like Fatah and plo.

Long gone. Those movements were the product of Palestinian rich kids going to elite European universities in the 60s and 70s and buying into socialism.

Hamas decolonized that space, and sent the socialist influenced packing there are still videos of Fatah and plo men tied to driving cars bouncing off the street.

The Plo and Fatah leadership used view the palestinian cause in terms of nationalism and statehood, this is now though and that's long in the past.

The decision made by former President Donald Trump to withdraw from the Iranian nuclear deal was indeed a significant event. This action had a profound impact on the relationship between Iran and the West. It marked the first time since 1979 that Iran had engaged in negotiations with Western powers, signaling a potential shift towards normalization.

Americans need to wake up and recognize the importance of robust security agreements, ensuring that they are not easily discarded by future presidents. This is particularly crucial when these agreements have not been violated. It is essential to note that no international inspector supported the claims made by the US and Israel regarding Iran's secret enrichment for nuclear weapons. The repercussions of this baseless allegation can be observed in the current destabilizing actions by Iran in the region since.

One aspect that often goes unnoticed is the West's tendency to occasionally overlook its own destabilizing actions.

French police marching into push back against the fash at a Palestinian solidarity march.