Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

In the name of 2977 lives? No idea why you seem so obsessed by numbers. You keep posting the number of people supposedly killed in Gaza as published by Hamas. Ad nauseam.

When you add supposedly, it take away from the not having trouble accepting figures from Hamas.

To repeat what people have said before that Hamas were not elected with a majority in 2006, they were funded by Israel to balance Fatah. Hamas in turn killed off the opposition etc... Half of Gaza now, were too young to vote back in 2006, and less than half of the other half could have potentially voted for Hamas..... and you're a numbers guy?

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We're innocently standing by

Watching people lose their lives

It seems as if we have no voice

It's time for us to make a choice

Only god should decide

Who will live and who will die

There's nothing that can't be done

If we raise our voice as one

They've gotta hear it from me

They've gotta hear it from you

They've gotta hear it from us

We can't take it

We've already had enough

What options are they being shown which are positive?

+1 ... Trump or whoever decided to withdraw from JCPOA made a very bad decision ... as if it were done to deliberately ruin relations between Iran and the West ... and to aid hardliners to defeat Iran's then moderate govt ... that is exactly what happened ... of course Netanyahu as well as the Saudis favoured this outcome and got it thanks to rookie pres Trump and his hardliner advisors no doubt in the pockets of Netanyahu ...

Americans do need to wake up and stop pursuing stupid policies obo wannabe dictators like Netanyahu and decadent monarchies like Saudi Arabia ... Iran was in a good place and going better places before this stupid decision was made ...

This current mess has a lot to do with leaving JCPOA and following Netanyahu no matter what ... Netanyahu is aligned to very far right parties which is ignored .... they are prob worse than Iran's current hardline Paydari regime if they got the chance ... I feel though all these hardliners .... Likud's pro-Netanyahu factions plus the other even further far right smaller parties in that current Netanyahu coalition ... the pro-Trump Republicans ... Paydari ... all feed off each other .... to the detriments of the moderates in all ...

If a change in govt in the US changes policy regarding agreements then there is no point in Iran or anyone else trusting them ... these agreements should stand and be legally binding with anyone trying to break them removed from office ... that would prevent some clown like Trump being pressurised by other clowns ... breaking these agreements also plays into the hands of Iran's hardliners who say I told you so to Iran's moderates ... and then Iran's women suffer and Iran's economic potential is not realised ... it is time that Trump and those who advised him ... who now prob blame it on Trump and distance themselves when it suits ... to face the consequences of their actions ... deals like JCPOA need to be written and stuck to no matter what freak is in the White House simple as ... Trump will go down as one of the very worst presidents that is for sure .... and Obama as one of the better ones .... Trump cannot come to terms with the fact that his presidency was a failure and that he was a weak and incompetent president ... he will tell you the opposite but it is just another example of his only talent: telling lies ...

This statement went pretty much under the radar

https://m.timesofindia.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-cites-amalek-theory-to-justify-gaza-killings/amp_articleshow/104802548.cms

Any mention of Amalek is an explicit call for genocide. How aren’t EU leaders calling this out. They’re at pains to tell us why new hate speech legislation is required to protect minorities yet here is a world leader openly calling for the genocide of an innocent civilian population.

Miles off. The reason it was voted down and abstained against was down to Canada's petition which was voted on beforehand. This included text which condemned only Hamas and the one afterwards condemned all parties in the text. So in fact it was voted against due to condemning Israel for it's actions and we all know we can't do that can we.

The Pakistan ambassador so eloquently shot it down.

UAE seeks a binding resolution demanding that Israel accepts a humanitarian pause to the fighting in Gaza in the UN security council today.

Sounds reasonable

Never really goes answered?

Are you for real? If the US or Israel gets a sniff of someone in the middle east being involved in anything, or considering being involved in anything, that person becomes a target.

The last President in the US introduced a travel ban specifically motivated around what he thought was trouble emanating from Islamic countries.

The UK government and other high ranking political figures has been openly pointing fingers at people of Islamic backgrounds for at least ten years.

It's the epitome of western blinkered lenses to look at the affairs around acrimony between western countries and Islamic countries and to determine the evil deeds are allowed to be carried out bybone side.

I'm not sure this reflects like you think it does on the Pro-Palestinian activists. The "Black Hebrew Israelites" are a cult that spouts some antisemitic nonsense. A bit more about them: https://www.ajc.org/news/who-are-the-black-hebrew-israelites

It's the same reason the IRA saw large recruitment after bloody sunday.

Saudi commentator sees it clearly for what it is. As discussed here already.

Very well articulated. I wouldn't be able to describe it better.

Madness

Thanks unkel. You have a more balanced approach than most. There are many who don't think Israel should have any boundaries whatsoever. I think it's a bit rich that Israel ask people to evacuate south to "safety" when they know there will be no food or water or fuel wherever they go. Would people flee their homes for that?

I was thinking last night that the current generation of leaders in Israel and Palestine will never come to a peaceful agreement even when this episode of war ends. That's absolutely clear. There is zero trust and with good cause. So we have have to wait another 30+ years at least. The likelihood is more rinse and repeat for much longer than that.