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Heat Pump Quotes

  • 31-10-2023 12:45am
    #1
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭


    Mods can decide if naming installers is allowed.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



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  • #2
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058320305/heat-pump-quotes

    We'll stick by the convention and go with no names.

    PM's for installers, the volume won't be as high as solar. If it gets out of hand, will need to be evaluated.

    Unfortunately there's no "rule of thumb" regarding pricing currently. There's a lot that can be done in a heatpump install. Some may be able to just drop it in, some would need to change radiators, some will need a new DHW tank, (as the heating coil may not be able to transfer enough heat fast enough to prevent short cycling)

    Grant/no grant and the process of actually getting it and obtaining the technical assessment and heat loss to be able to get the grant.



  • #3
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭con747


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303656#Comment_121303656

    Put a note on the thread title like the Solar Quotes thread saying no naming installers?

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #4
    THE ALM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭THE ALM


    Just to get things started. Have been looking at replacing the boiler with a heat pump over the last couple months and getting prices so here are a few:-

    Thermia ITecEco 8kW with Thermia 180l cylinder, supply and fit, €10,950 ex. Vat. Replacing 6 rads €2295 ex. Vat.

    Midea 10kW with 300l cylinder, supply only, €5635 ex. Vat.

    Hitachi 11kW with 220l cylinder, supply only, €7575 ex. Vat.

    15no. new rads €5082 ex Vat.

    Hitachi 11kW with 220l cylinder, 13 radiators, supply and fit, €11029 ex. Vat.

    These are all before grant which we would be eligible for.



  • #5
    ColemanY2K
    Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121306591#Comment_121306591

    Thermia ITecEco 8kW with Thermia 180l cylinder, supply only, €6,825 ex. Vat.

    UFH (193m2 bungalow), supply only, €3,675 ex. Vat

    New build, not eligible for grant.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • #6
    THE ALM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭THE ALM


    Viessmann Vitocal 222-a monobloc 8kW heat pump and indoor unit. Replace 12 radiators with Alu equivalent.

    Supply only €15,900 inc. Vat.

    Looking at the heat output for the new radiators we don't seem to be gaining anything over the existing.

    Without radiators Supply only is about €8900 inc. Vat.



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  • #7
    DC999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭DC999


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121319543#Comment_121319543

    What's supply only on this part? 'UFH (193m2 bungalow), supply only, €3,675 ex. Vat'. That all the heating stuff you'd need to DIY UFH once the space was ready? It excludes the prep and concrete pour too.



  • #8
    phil_space
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭phil_space


    Not a quote, but it might be a useful yardstick for those getting them.... I had a 10 kWh Viessmann 151-A installed in May. Cost of installation plus booster pump plus 1 additional 'over-sized' aluminium rad €18.7k inc. vat. What I hadn't considered at the time was an additional 1k+ for electrics, so close to €20k overall. So check whether any quote you get includes all electrical connections/weather compensation setup etc. Grant at 6.5k brought overall cost down to 13.5k. Very expensive, but Viessmann's a premium unit and we intend to stay in the house for good. COP for October was 4.2. Obviously, Winter will tell the whole story but very happy so far.



  • #9
    ColemanY2K
    Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121350935#Comment_121350935

    that's for kit only, the plumber installed it for €1k. you can DIY the laying of the pipework but for the rest i'd recommend a plumber.

    to get a contractor in to lay the 75mm concrete screed cost 5k. the concrete itself cost just under 2k (€130/m2 ....its daylight robbery at the moment). a few rolls of plastic to put under the UFH pipes cost a couple of hundred.

    UFH kit = €4.5k incl. VAT (that's everything...pipe, fittings, clips, manifolds, thermostats etc etc.)

    75mm concrete screed (labour & materials) = €7k incl. VAT

    plumber (2 days) = €1k incl. VAT

    total = €12.5k incl. VAT

    it took two days to lay the pipe and connect the manifolds (i helped him with the pipework). i'm still waiting on him to come back to plumb the ASHP and cylinder.

    NOTE: One cost that's missing is the electrician. he ran the first fix cabling for the thermostats and wired up the manifolds. that took a day.

    i hope the above helps, let me know if you've any further queries.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • #10
    DC999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭DC999


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366866#Comment_121366866

    Wow, appreciate the detail. So 12.5 (inc vat) for ufh setup but excluding the sparks. And excluding the heat pump.



  • #11
    ColemanY2K
    Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121368563#Comment_121368563

    correct. the heat pump looks straightforward as far as installation goes.

    to give you an idea of timescales...

    the unit is located next to the back door leading from the utility. the pipework from cylinder to the unit is less than 6 metres in length (about 2 metres from unit to where the flow and return enter/exit the house), it took the plumber 15 minutes to run the flow and return pipe through a dedicated wavin to the unit - it is yet to be connected at either end. the electrician ran a cable from the mcb in the utility through another 110mm wavin pipe - which was put in at foundation level at the start of construction - and runs from utility to the unit (no more than a 4m run of cable). the electrician has fitted an isolation switch next to the unit and now has to come back to connect the cable. then drive an earth rod into the ground beside the unit.

    i reckon it'll take him a couple of hours max to do the above and wiring the cylinder is a doddle. from start to finish i estimate the electrician will have spent no more than 2 days wiring the unit and cylinder - first and second fix including second fixing the 7 thermostats. the plumber has spent a day so far plumbing the cylinder and hot and colds. all he has to do now is connect the pipework to the unit and to the cylinder.

    note: the 6.8k ex. VAT for the unit and cylinder includes commissioning by the supplier.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



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  • #12
    Seventy Plus
    Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭Seventy Plus


    I Posted this yesterday being unaware of this Discussion:

    "With a €6,500 Grant and my Solar PV generating decided to look into air to water heat pump system.

    Got my first price for an install: €13,655 and any additional piping or radiators would be extra

    As far as I can make out a Heat Pump and Cylinder would cost less than €6,000

    Strong parallel with the Solar PV rip-off"

    Having read the above I think I will forget all about it; I could be Ninety Plus before return on investment.

    Though my principal concern is to protect our environment



  • #13
    conor_mc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    General question, what are the considerations on heat pump payback? Take example above, net cost after grant of 7,150. You need some form of heating, so some offset of boiler replacement cost against that figure assuming existing boiler is near end of life - no idea how much for a replacement boiler, 2-3k? So you’re only trying to get payback on 4-5k over the heat pump lifetime. Any other considerations? Would you put a price on the additional comfort overall?



  • #14
    THE ALM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭THE ALM


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121953168#Comment_121953168

    I am finding quotes for pump and cylinder have ranged from about 6-12.5k ex. vat and if I can get a payback figure of 5-6k after grant and install I think I'll be doing ok. Not all heat pumps are equal so that has to be taken into account when pricing.

    Our oil boiler is reaching replacement time and I don't think I would see much change out of 3k. I don't want to put in another oil boiler for environmental reasons as much as anything else and I'd would like to get it out of the utility room.

    I'm due a visit from an installer in the next couple of weeks and hoping to get a truer picture of what the cost and work is going to involve.

    I have toyed with the idea of going diy but I'm not sure there is the saving there to justify it plus some manufacturers are strict enough about having a registered installer if a warranty claim ever arose.



  • #15
    Alan McG
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Alan McG


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121953448#Comment_121953448

    So how did you get on with the installer?

    Who did you go for & what was the quote? Were you happy with it?

    Can I also ask who you got your previous midea quote from (PM me if you need to) I'd be interested in maybe getting them to quote me. All I can find is the supplier Pipelife.



  • #16
    THE ALM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭THE ALM


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122051109#Comment_122051109

    Haven't had the installer visit yet, few personal issues have arisen in the last couple of weeks so I have to re-schedule.

    The Midea quote I got from Pipelife, they are the agents as far as I am aware. They did also quote for the Hitachi unit as well.



  • #17
    John E.
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭John E.


    One recent quotes:

    MasterTherm BA22i 5kW HeatPump €8,190exVat

    200L Quick Recovery Cylinder €1,864exVat

    Installation €3,450exVat

    Control Accessories €1247exVat

    TOTAL: €14,940exVat

    This quote involves no changes to current radiators or their pipework, which it seems is inadequate for any Heat Pump system (half-inch with long runs). It is also for a small house (an old cottage with insulation retrofits), so perhaps add another €2-3k for a larger HeatPump for a typical sized (110m2) house.



  • #18
    John E.
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭John E.


    Another recent quote:

    (Unspecified) Hitachi heat pump (mono bloc) with 180L cylinder (unspecified) and all new radiators (unspecified) and pipework. Includes all electrical work, commissioning etc. €18,769ex Vat.

    I have asked for further details and will post here if/when I get them.



  • #19
    zoom_cool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭zoom_cool


    Maybe of interest https://www.hofman-energy.com/Waermepumpe-Luftwaermepumpe-AVARMA-Luft-Wasser-mit-Invertertechnik-Monoblock-R290-640-16kW-230V-400V-HOFMAN-ENERGY prices coming down on these units and it is a R290 unit.



  • #20
    allinthehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Had a guy out today to quote for an air to air unit for the downstairs of the house. He's recommended a 3.5kw unit, 1kw input. Waiting on the quote now. Are there grants for air to air? I forgot to ask him. The Seai site is a mess.

    ☀️



  • #21
    conor_mc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    only for the whole house, I believe.



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  • #22
    poker--addict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    22k ex vat for a 12KW Nibe (geo) inclu large water tank. Wondering how many years i'd be paying back compared to condenser boiler

    😎



  • #23
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207934#Comment_122207934

    Hell even A2W! should be a few times cheaper than that.
    Large water tank? is that for your hot water?



  • #24
    poker--addict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    yes hot water

    😎



  • #25
    allinthehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207881#Comment_122207881

    When you say whole house, would I get the grant if I remove the gas boiler?

    ☀️



  • #26
    Mr Q
    Registered Users Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207934#Comment_122207934

    What's the model number?



  • #27
    poker--addict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    1155 or 1255

    😎



  • #28
    Mr Q
    Registered Users Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122214063#Comment_122214063

    Is the larger tank external and the price including install?

    22k before VAT is double the cost of the HP in most countries.



  • #29
    allinthehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Had a quote of €2,300 for a 3.5kw air to air heat pump. Hitachi. Any thoughts?

    ☀️



  • #30
    Paul Kiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220191#Comment_122220191

    Have you a link to the heat pump? Is it dual (heating and cooling)? Is that the full price including VAT and installation? I assume there's no grants involved? Sorry for all the questions but I'm contemplating getting something like this myself!!



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  • #31
    allinthehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122221718#Comment_122221718

    Heating and cooling yes, and includes vat. No grant involved but does not include electrical works.

    AirHome-400-Spec.pdf

    ☀️



  • #32
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220191#Comment_122220191

    That sounds like a decent enough quote to me. My own A2A system was installed in 2020 and cost €1,300 for the 2 Mitsubishi units needed and he charged €500 for the install which took him about 4 to 5 hours.

    Im not sure how the grant system is for A2A right now but when I installed the grant was €600 but you had to get a technical assessment from a BER assessor before the installation and then another one after the job was done and that would have cost around €500 anyway. So I forgoed the grant and just went ahead without it.

    I installed the A2A system on the ground floor of my house to replace 3x very old storage heaters. Im very happy with it as my bills went down and also it has the added bonus of air conditioning in the summer. I might only use the air con less than 10 days a year (and then only for an hour at a time) but when you need air con then it is amazing to have a cool house on a roasting hot and humid day. It proved particularly useful during the heatwave in the summer of 2022 when everyone I knew was roasting inside their houses while I had my unit set to a cool 16c for a couple of hours in the evenings when the heatwave was really muggy and stuffy with the high humidity.



  • #33
    allinthehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122237041#Comment_122237041

    Thanks for the reply, that has helped confirm my thoughts on the suitability of A2A. Can I ask what year your house was built?

    ☀️



  • #34
    poker--addict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122215078#Comment_122215078

    The main difference between nibe 1125 and 1225 as i understand is one has integrated hot water tank (around 200L).


    22k ex vat include install and a large tank. Note this is replacement so no underfloor pipe work etc to be included in cost

    😎



  • #35
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122237122#Comment_122237122

    1994/5. Measured a BER of D3 when I bought it but have since upgraded it a fair bit with new windows & doors, a stove installed and am internally insulating it later this summer. I installed the A2A system after the windows and doors were replaced, without doing that the bills would have been higher as the old windows and front door were leaking hot air out of the building.



  • #36
    allinthehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122250962#Comment_122250962

    Thanks for that, I'm definitely going ahead. House is 2008, BER of B2 and new front door.

    ☀️



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  • #37
    THE ALM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭THE ALM


    Latest quote before making a decision.

    Stiebel Eltron HPA-08 + Cylinder HSBC 220.

    Add radiator and upgrade 2 more.

    Remove old boiler and cylinder.

    Just a touch over €14k inc. vat

    I believe Stiebel Eltron are at the upper end of the market. They have set up a new base here so will take a trip to the showroom to check it out.



  • #38
    poker--addict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    These quotes are a bit of a disaster for replacement heat pumps if SEAI are not willing to put the 6.5K€ down. oil boiler will end up making more sense

    😎



  • #39
    allinthehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122264493#Comment_122264493

    Absolutely, my gas boiler packed in a couple of years ago and it was during the winter, needed sorting quickly. I had little choice but to replace it with another gas boiler.

    ☀️



  • #40
    graememk
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122264493#Comment_122264493

    Did you get any quotes for a2w replacement?



  • #41
    poker--addict
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭poker--addict


    I did, albeit it was last year, they were up on 19k (two were suggested)

    😎



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  • #42
    allinthehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Three more quotes for A2A.

    1. No grant, single 3.5kw Daiken unit. €4100 plus vat.
    2. Grant applied but must remove gas boiler at further expense. 2 no. 3.5kw Daiken units. €4k ish after grant. Site visit required at a cost of €200.
    3. No grant, single 3.5kw Mitsubishi unit. €2.5-3k subject to site visit.

    ☀️



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