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Dublin Marathon 2023

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  • Registered Users Posts: 341 ✭✭solidasarock


    What is the average no show / DNF rate for a big city marathon anyway?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭py


    Not surprised. They were of poor quality and design imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭Nuttzz


    I fell into the 3rd category when running new york a few years ago, got the winter vomiting bug the weekend before, but the hotel, flights and race was paid for so felt I had to go. Of course in hindsight I'd never do that again.

    We can be a stubborn lot, even when sick or injured we still go out, I know of one runner on Sunday who did the marathon while waiting for the results of a MRI!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭Unthought Known


    I get that. They could mix it up a bit though to make each year stand out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭jlang


    Re: the entry for next year for those who ran this year. I can't remember whether you wait for an email with instructions or look for a link on the website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭Lazare


    Yeah, not sure I've ever worn mine since. Wouldn't throw it away though.

    Same with the 2018 one, was awful looking I thought.

    My 2017 one is a treasured possession, wore that one a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,070 ✭✭✭✭event


    I still think that's wrong. It's closing it as an option to loads of others. None of us have a right to enter it next year imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    I think the people who do it every year have made it the event it is, I'd have no problem with the annual or even this years first timers getting guaranteed a place.

    But if you registered, and didn't start you have no entitlement to a guaranteed place. I guess paradoxically they are "cheaper" for the organisers in that they are pure profit (i.e. they don't turn up!).

    But they still had to plan for them being there one way or other, and they deny people who would run a place. You should be able to transfer up to the week of the event in my opinion. They aren't something which can be sold for a profit so its not like a black market exists for them!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭buffalo


    And those of us who had a 4.30am wake up call from the baby and started out on the back foot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 499 ✭✭TheBigEvil



    Totally agree. You shouldn't be guaranteed an entry for the following year, just because you had an entry for the current year. You should at the very least have started the marathon, whatever about actually finishing it. I appreciate people get injured, things happen and can't make it on the day, but that's life.

    When you look at the fact that nearly a third of the total field didn't run it, that's a kick in the teeth to those that were looking to run and didn't get a number in the lottery. I'd also like to know how many of those no-shows were women, given they gave woman a guaranteed entry to the marathon that had run the half marathon. If they hadn't been training for a marathon by the time of the half, doubtful they were ready to run a full.

    I had an entry for this year, but gave it back, as had I had run Dublin 2022 and then London 2023 and didn't have the motivation to do a 3rd marathon in 12 months, and was glad I didn't do it. The thing that has really stuck in my throat was the €30 "admin" fee Dublin marathon charged to hand back my number. Absolutely disgraceful money grab by them. And then they sell it on again at full price, creaming it at both ends. So not really enamoured with the Dublin marathon at the moment.

    They need to implement a transfer system for a small admin fee (not €30!) to be able to either transfer your number or hand it back. They have created a rod for their own back by not having one. Look at the Half marathon (National Championships), there were so many people running under other peoples numbers, they couldn't award the prizes immediately, they had to go back and re-check everything. And I bet there were loads of people running under other peoples numbers on Sunday too.

    Don't think I will bother again with Dublin for a few years, until they sort themselves out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    The guaranteed entry for women for DCM based on them running the half is for next year's marathon - not this year's marathon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,037 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    I believe, its for next years marathon women who ran the half marathon are guaranteed entry, it wasn't this year. Its probably too much hassle to just guarantee people who started the marathon places, they would get a flood of doctor notes and complaints. Remember there was a good few days last year where anyone could just log in and register.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,037 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    I don't agree with this, I have done the last 4 now and would be fairly pissed off if I didn't get a place next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭sk8board


    This makes sense, only about 30% of runners yesterday were women (5k from 16k).

    as for the guaranteed entry for next year, they’ve tried to change that before and there was war from the many thousands of regulars, myself included - I think guaranteed entry is fair enough; one suggestion might be to upload your finishing certificate from this year when applying for next year.

    I’m not sure there’s as many people as you might think paying the €110 just to keep their place for the following year - €220 is a very expensive marathon :)

    Also worth remembering that every marathon has 10-15% no shows and DNS/F.

    didn’t they open a transfer window back in July for this years marathon?

    A 27% no-show rate is extremely high for sure (assuming they actually sold out the 22.5k places).

    had a great run yesterday, my best at DCM, and got in before the downpour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭sdevine89


    Maybe I’m in the minority but I just don’t get some of the sentiment in this thread. If you ran the marathon this weekend, with the level of support and good feeling etc, and no matter what your finishing time, I think you need to take a look at yourself if the first thing you want to do a few days later is complain.


    No problem with constructive criticism, framed in the right way and delivered to people who can effect change, ie the organisers, not a message board, but just coming on and speaking negatively is beyond me and surely a waste of energy. I thought most people would still be basking in that beautiful elation today.


    Also, yes, I’m self aware to know that I’m shouting into the void giving out about people complaining on the internet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Anyone who wanted to run under the name they could have. There was a window where anyone could have entered after the lottery and it was open for 24 hours before the numbers sold out but I agree the transfer window should be available until 1st of October at least. They could even do it at the expo they really wanted to. Have a desk and you queue up. 2 people manning it and charge €20 a head. You’re in wave 3/4 unless you’ve proof you can move up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,070 ✭✭✭✭event


    I say it every year. There are always moaners.

    And the great thing about DCM is they are always crying out for volunteers.

    So all the people that moan about how they should do this or that, I'd assume they'll volunteer next year and try have an input



  • Registered Users Posts: 29 ro_p_ro1986


    With respect to entry for next year, to me it should be straightforward.


    1. All Clubs automatically get a certain number of entries based on their size. Any unused to be put back in by a certain date. Come down hard on clubs not using their allocation or returning unused.
    2. All starters given first preference for next year.
    3. Open a transfer portal up until Sept 1st. €20 admin fee.
    4. Anyone who did the right thing and transferred in the portal, is considered as a preference for the following year.
    5. Anyone who misses the transfer portal deadline and doesn't start, is taken off the preference list.
    6. Open a dropout Portal from Sept 1st to Early October. €20 admin fee.
    7. Anyone who uses the dropout portal to give up their number, is considered for the following year. Anyone who doesnt, loses their preference for following year.
    8. Last minute portal, a 2-3 day portal that opens 2 weeks before marathon. Increased price to cover admin.

    I know it seems like a lot of portals, but technically speaking each one of those are in sequence and can piggyback off each other, from a technical point of view. Its 2023, it shouldn't be an issue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 492 ✭✭Butterbeans


    20%. Dublin this year was over 25%.

    22,500 capacity in 2023 - 16,347 finishers

    20,000 capacity in 2018 - 16,251 finishers



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,037 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Emails are in there, suppose I have no choice but to sign up, i love the pain too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭sdevine89


    Will be a skip next year for me. Getting married in August and honeymoon in September so a training block would be ruined. I'll be back to Dublin in the future and will certainly volunteer next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Trampas


    That’s chipped finishers. Some probably ran it but removed chip so never existed. At least they didn’t run out of medals and tops like bags. How many numbers issued at expo and how many crossed a mat



  • Registered Users Posts: 29 ro_p_ro1986


    Out of interest, why would someone remove their chip and still run the race?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Learpholl


    Have others got theirs too? I got nothing yet so just wondering if they drip feed throughout the day or something. Would've thought it'd be a bulk email



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭sdevine89


    I haven't got mine yet so presume they are sent in batches. I'm more eager for the FinisherPix email to arrive, think it should be today too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭nullObjects


    I'd assume this is why it's over two days, so the system doesn't fall over (haven't got mine yet either)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Someone gets a female entry and doesn’t want to effect results. Maybe jumping in and doesn’t want to appear on times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,491 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Also it is the national championships with individual competitions in all age categories and team competitions for over 35 and over 50 club teams. Running in other people's bibs screws up these results every year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    I was talking to somebody who volunteered at the Expo who said that was complete BS. They had about 15 minutes where they ran out of bags and needed to get more so there was a delay until they got more.

    But never let the facts stand in the way of a good story or online rant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    I don't agree with that. Most of the "criticisms" people have discussed above are about how to make the event better, and very few people have complained about minutia of the event.

    Can you point towards what people are complaining about you think is unfair? I see complaints about transfers, no-shows and registration headaches where people couldn't pick up others race number, mainly from people who (like me) did not do it this year by choice. People are suggesting improvements. Is that not fair?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen



    Or just go back to the guaranteed entry system, no lottery. They are fueling a quick sell out with how they market it now. I suspect this is because they use the money from entries for 2024 to pay this years bills so they can't be waiting until next August for some people to enter. Otherwise they could wait till say April to open entries and still sell out in a couple of days...unless they need the money now.

    Looked it up last night and my last time running in 2011, I entered on October 3rd 2011. For me, given my health issues at the time, it was great to be able to train for this and see how things went and then enter on the last day if I felt I was ready to run. There was a couple of years where I entered in October one of the reasons I haven't run it since, apart from falling out of love with marathons is because it sells out so early now and for many runners they are not ready to make a decision on next years races.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen



    Why would you punish clubs for not using up their entries? Marathon is far from the be all and end all of running and it's not something a lot of clubs overly push despite if being the national champs. I'd say many clubs prefer their runners to be involved in track during the summer and cross country at this time of year rather than the marathon. Many of the long distrance runners will be taking part in the longer track races / XC also, the pool is relatively small in clubs of people willing to compete in championship races.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    I emailed them this morning to congratulate them on aspects of the organisation that I thought were very well done.

    I thought the toilet facilities and aid stations were great.

    I had no issues with the registration.

    If they could have sorted the weather it would have been great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭sk8board


    exactly this - DCM doubles up as the Dublin, Leinster & national marathon championships, so e.g if you get your auntie Mary from Dublins bib and run a 3:20, you’ll comfortably podium in the Dublin championship F55 category.


    personally I think the small concession made this year to return & refund bibs and then resell them was a great idea - but I still can’t figure out how 27% of the subsequent bibs didn’t show up - was it actually a sellout, as in, did they find new owners for all the refunded bibs?



  • Registered Users Posts: 492 ✭✭Butterbeans


    That would be madness if they weren't sold on, the demand was there. Can't see that being the case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 492 ✭✭Butterbeans


    Is it common to have gauranteed entry for races / marathons, with the only qualifying factor being that you ran it the previous year? Not having a go at the organisers, genuinely curious. Anyone come across it in other races, home or abroad?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Trampas




  • Registered Users Posts: 29 ro_p_ro1986


    Who said anything about punishing clubs for not using up their entries?

    I said punish clubs for not using up their entries AND then not giving their spares back to be re-distributed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭echancrure


    Hi,

    We invite you to complete your Irish Life Dublin Marathon 2024 entry.

    Please use the link below to complete your entry.

    **Closing date for entries is by midnight Wednesday 01st November 2023**

    Irish Life Dublin Marathon 2024

    Click here to register

    Best Wishes,

    Irish Life Dublin Marathon Team

    #AbsolutelyRidiculous

    Post edited by echancrure on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    It's not common, London used to have a good system of 4/5 ballot failures and you got in but they did away with that.

    I'd have no problems if they went to an open ballot from today at this stage.

    I'd say you have a core of 8000-10000 who do Dublin most years and after that it's the charity or once off runners. They want to get their core entry in early and work from there I'd say.

    Shows you though it is an awful waste having so many bibs that go unused. I do think there is a ceiling here that is being ignored though. About 18000 might be the absolute limit if there was a proper transfer system. Easier for them to generate a revenue on 4500 entries that never show up to ensure they stay financially sound.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,491 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    No. It's ridiculous. Some big marathons have a system to make it easier for people who have run the event numerous times (say 10) to get an entry, but the Dublin system seems designed to induce early FOMO and a quick sell out, nothing else. I think DCM is a really great event, so I wish they'd stop with this malarkey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭buffalo


    That link has your name, email, date of birth, home address and phone number, and your emergency contact. I'd remove it quickly.

    Post edited by buffalo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,722 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    Just got my email there.....it's far from an ideal system.

    Surely they could wait a few weeks at least and then launch rather than badger people with an email when they're still crippled after Sunday

    Last year I passed up on the option....regretted it a few weeks later and luckily got a charity place via work in the Spring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Valencia gives last year people to enter first the following year and then it goes on sale until sold out and price increases from €70 to €150 and the €180 for cancellation list which remains open until a few weeks before the event. Refund amount depends on how close to race. So looks after the people who ran the previous year by a few days. Then enter but easy enough to cancel it. No deferrals. Something Dublin should definitely look at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    I got the DCM email but thinking of doing Chicago now in 2024 decisions decisions..

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    Just food for thought, you'd nearly cover the cost of two other Irish marathons in 2024 for the €115 you are paying for Dublin:


    Cork - €67


    Longford - €65


    Limerick - €65 (bib postage option, 10% discount in Dublin marathon expo flyer which covers that cost)


    Belfast - £50


    Connemarathon - €75 (bibs posted & bus transfer)


    Waterford - €60 (bibs posted out)




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭racersedge


    Mate of mine who got the email mentioned that there is a tick the box to say about confirming your going to pick the number up in person? If that’s the case, definitely doubling down on what was in the FAQ’s only this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭nullObjects


    Just signed up for 2024, who's gonna start the new thread :)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 492 ✭✭Butterbeans


    Spot on. Plenty of good options outside of Dublin. I really like DCM, if I'm not running it, I'm out supporting, but thinking now I might opt for another one - Limerick, Cork or Waterford, change of scenery.

    I'll throw my name in for the DCM lottery too.



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