So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

From a human beings perspective, that makes sense.

But then you are trying to guess how a different species, one far more advanced than ourselves, may think.

Maybe it is ourselves, from the future.

None that I can think of, off hand ... that isnt mainstream now.. like believing that big oil is trying to corrupt the climate narative ( similar to big tobacco trying to corrupt the medical narrative back in the day) . This is self evident now (imo), it wasnt a decade ago.

I do believe that evidence of the nature of UFO's is being concealed. Probably for percieved military advantage.

I also think that when someone says :

They are talking out of their arse, because they have NO idea of the frequency of visitation. If there were a trilion visits which resulted in 12 downed craft its safer than crossing the street and is not by any reasonable definition "constantly".

Maybe you should try addressing these people's points instead of obliquely referring to them because you're unable to address them.

it doesn't really fool anyone.

If all of the reports about crashed UFOs are to be believed, then it's a valid question of why so many are crashing.

You cannot address this as you are not allowed to cast doubt on any claims by fellow believers. Nor can you propose a sane reason for these constant crashes.

Unless you are proposing that trillions of visits are happening, or similarly absurd numbers, "constantly" is a fair way to describe it.

And this is of course still side stepping the entire issue of the aliens having hyper advanced technology that should prevent such crashes in the first place.

Would be great to know which of these encounters are considered to be valid or credible. Or how one would decide.

But alas we will never know since it seems the conspiracy theory code is to never disagree with other theorists directly and never answer direct questions.

In particular would love to know about the Italian UFO from the 30s that was spoken about under oath, yet is obviously false.

Is it valid even though it's laughably flimsy?

Is it invalid even though the UFO golden boy swore that it was a real one whole presenting his best cases?

Only someone that takes a cursory glimpse at the UFO phenomena would believe its analgous to the fake moon landing or flat earth conspiracy theories.

How many government investigations have been announced into the latter two ?

I NEVER presumed to know the frequency of visitation (unlike others who somehow KNOW its zero) only to say that it could be happening and it could be happening to such a degree that by the laws of chance the odd one crashes or are brought down by the military or other.

If someone said "People should stop driving cars immediately, they are CONSTANTLY crashing." The statement though true is contrived and you would presumably roll your eyes and assume the moron was an alarmist or away with the fairies.

Another rubbish stat. The numbers have not been affected by smart phone adoption. Similar to "Why does it only happen in America." It doesnt.

Do some research.

I gave Invasion a watch, the new series on Apple TV. It would make you want to be lifted off to space by a saucer it was that bad. If there are ET aliens out there and they catch wind of this, they'll probably decide to blow the planet up and I wouldn't blame them.

I see there's a God theory as well now in the thread, the same applies. If there is a God then he'll be aware of that show and is probably already getting the taps ready to flood the place.

Compare this to the examples of the asteroid that over flew Russia a few years ago, or the explosion in Beirut. These were highly unlikely rare events that happened in moments, but there's tons of footage out there of them from multiple angles and in perfectly clear detail.

Yet, if alien visitations are as frequent as celticoz is is purporting they might be (possibly trillions of times)...

If there have been 12 visits and 12 crashes, then I don't think "frequently" is a very accurate description.

"Constant" would be more accurate.

The issue you are not understanding is that if the number of visits is unknown or unknowable, then it is as equally possible that there are 12 visits as there are millions. Both ideas have as much evidence supporting them.

The difference is that a lower number is just more likely. This is because alien visitations from across the gulf of space is a rare event. Speculating that this is something that happens millions of times is a bit ridiculous. Also, if aliens were visiting millions of times, then the other issue we were pointing out and you ignored rears up again. Millions of visits would mean millions more opportunities for sightings and clear photo or video evidence. Which we don't see.

And this again side steps two other important issues about the crashes. 1. If the aliens have hyper advanced technology that can do anything including letting them travel interstellarly millions of times near perfectly, then it's a bit of a contradiction to believe that they would crash at any frequency.

And 2. There's no evidence that any such crash has occurred in the first place, and you refuse to identify which claims are actually valid.

The only one you've tangentially endorsed has been the one in Italy in the 1930s brought up in the senate hearing. You don't seem to want to talk about thay one for some reason.

I'm not using any dishonest tactics. You are. So this mirroring tactic doesn't really work.

It's been fascinating, reading through the posts from gun to tape. And a lot of the discourse has changed, as Grusch, Fravor etc have come out and given testimony and the US Congress to some degree have gotten involved.

I keep very up to speed with all of the current "data" and the infamous Reddit post.

Maybe those minds who will be aware of what I'm going to mention can direct me to quotes or even hear-say, where current commentators/senators/podcasters mention the following, as in at all.

A. No mention at all of the SR-72.. or of the Aurora. Zero!! Like they don't even exist. How can we talk about tech from another "place" if we can't even speak about our own current real world capability. We can't.

B. No mention of Oumuamua. At all. Zero. Like it never happened.

It seems that new HD footage will make it's way out to the general public in the next month or so. It's been teased for a good six months or so.

Nope, not agreed. I don't know if I'm right, but then again, I'm not running around telling everyone I have all the answers. I do, however, see that you are full of ****. I suspected it and so gave you the opportunity to demonstrate your apparently messianic proof of God, the afterlife and pretty much everything. You have fallen at the first hurdle, as I also suspected.

It did, that's why I asked you to share with the other boys and girls. You haven't verified anything though, you are cosplaying as someone who's in the know, yet demonstrating your lack of knowledge at every available turn. Also, what things? God? When has God ever broken anything in the media?

But you said that you can prove you're correct, did you not? That you yourself have this proof. Time to put up or shut up, why wait for time to make fools of us all?

I'm well calm, thankya very much. I'm also at a loss as to how one single reply to your outlandish and frankly ridiculous claims qualifies as being "invested" or "wound up" but hey, anything to deflect from the fact that you can't do what you said you'd do, eh?

Absolute quackery in the first degree. I never mentioned paedo's (your US spelling betrays a lot, actually) or projection or mental illness. You did. Why do you feel the need to protect yourself from such accusations, it's almost like you're projecting now..........

Why don't YOU prove your words true, y'know, like you said you could? Is it because you can't? My money says yes. You're hiding behind a deliberately ill-defined time limit, acting like a smug so-and-so, and claiming the moral high ground. It's transparent as **** and only belies your own insecurities and lack of anything concrete to back up your crazy nonsense.

To summarise:

You only believe in things you can prove, and you can prove God exists (which implies everything in relation to God as we see him in the Judeo-Christian world is true, like walking on water, the one true God, resurrection etc is all also true and provable) and he's gonna unveil the truth about all this UFO BS at some yet-to-be-confirmed future date, even though there's a lot going on above our skies so it can't all be BS and this all connects to prophecies in the bible about mind-control paedo rings?

That's an awful lot to be asking others to take on your word alone. I mean, can you even point to the prophecies in the bible or are you pretending to know about that as well?

Eh.. what.

Calm down Travis Bickle.

I only said what I have read, that there seems to be some massive tease about footage that's incoming. No one has to 'prove' anything to you. This is a conspiracy page!

There's no harm in people, speculating and chatting about stuff. Just because you fervently disagree, doesn't make you the arbitrator of what is right and wrong.

Put up or shut up. Listen to yourself and calm down. This was my first post on the topic.

I wouldn't get too excited or hold my breath. I called out that Grusch and his witnesses a few months ago, that they wouldn't be able to provide any verifiable evidence. I don't think Grusch is deliberately lying, more misled by stories by believers.

As for the "HD footage", I'll call that one out to. That either a) no clear footage will be released or b) it will be more generic unidentified footage (in line with a lot of the pending stuff)

You seem to have misread my post. I was merely repeating what I had read..not my belief that there is some smoking gun footage. There is, undoubtedly footage, but is that footage of actual real craft that some dudes on planet Earth invented. Probably. Neat to speculate though.

My question was about actual real world tech. Stuff that exists but lays beyond the veil.

My thoughts, And 'they' quote it as being 4k footage, my apologies for saying HD, is that they will show 4K footage of their own tech.

Hence no mention of the son of Blackbird in all of these UAP discussions.

Interestingly enough, Ross Coulthart seems to want to bring more information to the table about the US shootdowns in Alaska that have mostly been attributed to being Chinese Spy Balloons.