Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Honestly can’t believe what I’m reading. Israel is killing thousands of citizens. There’s lots of footage out there. You’re blaming people who were displaced and living in tents for being murdered by a monstrous regime.

Probably not so strange when 100+ people are dying daily, and they are struggling with food and water shortages.

'Siri, show me an extreme example of victim blaming, like one that's barely believable that someone would do it'

It is 100% on Israel.

Ridiculous. So, if there is a tsunami warning that my house is about to be hit by a wave and I'll get killed and I refuse to move to higher ground, am I really stupid and dead, or would that be victim-blaming?

Please link international humanitarian law that states that once an aggressor tells people to move out of the way of their bombs, it is the fault of the people who die if they failed to do so.

I have posted the relevant international laws earlier in the thread.

If Russia gave such a "warning" you'd have every western politician condemning it and urging NATO involvement. Yet in Gaza, its met with a conspicuous silence. The politicians who on a daily basis obsess over causing offence with pronouns have complete indifference to the slaughtering and brutality of the Palistinians.

Yes, it is on Israel, the morality of it, but there is a legitimate right of a nation to self-defence which Israel are exercising, and the exercise of that right, whether by Israel in this situation or Ukraine, when invaded, will inevitably lead to civilian deaths.

In war, it is not a nice concept, but there are legitimate deaths, including women and children under certain circumstances, and then there are war crimes when the deaths are not legitimate.

The war crimes have been committed by Hamas.

Have you seen the comments from the former chief prosecutor of the ICC he seems less sure than you about that. Did anyone reply to snooker loopys post on page 437 about Bibi?

The war seems to be mutually agreed upon between the IDF, Israel war council, and Hamas, given Israel's literal-biblical response to the first strike, citing scripture and declaring a formal war.

Though that is not to say the citizens of Gaza signed off on this the same way the Knesset did for the democracy of Israel.

It's one of the most ridiculous comparisons that have appeared on this thread.

So should whoever warn first be able to claim they won because the others should leave whatever territory they are in?

Nasrallah has been unusually quiet of late. What's going on there? I know there are skirmishes between the IDf and Hezbollah, but Is Hezbollah split on escalating it to a second war? Maybe the US warships in the region are giving the Hezbollah leadership pause for thought

You've been given enough evidence that the Gaza Ministry for Health using the last three wars as an example, has been off to UNICEF and other international agency numbers by approx 2%. I don’t believe any figures posted by any one on this thread in relation to Palestinian deaths will be accepted by you. However, whenever this all ends, and figures are posted I hope you’ll be gracious enough to admit you were wrong and I’ll leave it at that.

Secondly, I’ll admit that I’d hold Israel to a higher standard than Hamas. Hamas are terrorists, the brutality and savagery towards innocent Israelies was beyond comprehension. They do not care about ordinary Palestinians any more than they care about Israelies. That said, I believe that the retaliation has disproportionate to innocent Palestinians. Never mind the decades of oppression in the lead up to this but we are all aware; even if you choose to not acknowledge it as it doesn’t fit your rhetoric; cutting off aid, food, water supplied, fuel so hospitals cannot function, incessant bombing. We all know from past wars that what Israel are doing isn’t going to defeat Hamas. When the November 2015 attacks happened in France, where there was suicide bombers, gunmen killing people. Hostages taken were something like 90 people were murdered in a theatre, did France just bomb the areas or five days later where they hunted down the leader did they bomb the apartment block he was in? No they didn’t. Because it wasn’t the right thing to do. So forgive me if I hold Israel to a higher standard, like the west. And forgive me for not celebrating collective punishment. Which is what this is.

Just to clarify, you are OK with the IDF going into Gaza and going after Hamas?