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Berlin Q or Bust: Road to sub 2:45

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    I'm always impressed by your running but that deserves second level kudos and a tip of the hat for NOT chasing those 2km's 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    I do like your plan - I'm considering following it for my next Marathon block.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    You are doing some great training but even better than that your confidence is spot on, delighted for you!

    Best of luck with the rest of your block🤗



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    A tough week of training in those conditions. It's not the heat that kills, but the humidity (or dew point apparently).


    Monday 4th September: 7 Miles Easy: 1:00:59 @5:24/km


    Tuesday 5th September: 7 Miles Easy: 1:00:39 @5:23/km


    Two very warm shuffles around the plains. Legs back close to normal by the end of Tuesday's run.


    Wednesday 6th September: Bailed Session: 4x2 Miles....


    Like a lot of the country, the rise in heat and humidity impacted massively on things in the second half of the week. I'm not too bad generally in the heat (note, my debut Sub 3 marathon in Limerick on a hot May Bank Holiday will probably ensure I think this for the rest of my running days!), but the humidity levels seemed to ramp up massively from Wednesday on.


    Plan was for 3:55/4:00/km pace for the 2 mile reps. Once I go going it became apparent pretty quickly that I was working very hard to maintain anything close to that pace. I had chosen a pretty tough 2km loop with a lot of ups and down and zero cover from the sun and wind, which only increased the difficulty level.


    Managed to churn out 13:03 & 13:02 splits for the first two sets, but after about a km into the 3rd, still averaging 4:02/km pace, I had to pull the plug. It wasn't happening and I'd spent so much energy during those first reps, that even rowing back the pace and finishing the session didn't seem very wise.


    Jogged until I reached 10 Miles and called it a day. Tough going.


    10 Miles: 1:15:30 @4:41/km


    Thursday 7th September: 7 Miles Easy: 59:49 @5:18/km


    Up in Dublin for a work thing around lunch time so came up early and got a few miles in around the PP and Stoneybatter. No real lasting effects from previous day's exploits.


    Friday 8th September: 10k Easy: 54:54 @5:30/km


    Up and out before 6am as I really didn't want to be running in the heat later that afternoon as I had an early LR planned for Saturday.


    Saturday 9th September: 21 Miles: 2:36:03 @4:37/km


    Talked about possibly changing the plan and pushing this to mid week and replacing it with a session of some ilk, but that didn't really suit so I ploughed on ahead. This was meant to include 4x4Miles at MP, building on last weeks 3x5Miles, but I knew that this was not a very good idea in those conditions. Armed with social media posts from most of the luminaries of Irish Coaching telling everyone to slow down, I set off into the cloudless sky at 7am and the heaviest conditions I'd ever ran in.


    Chose the same route as the 20 Miler from a couple of weeks ago which is as honest as you can find in these parts. Plan was to run first 4 miles at what felt like a marathon effort and then see if that was maintainable for 3 more sets and if not, adapt accordingly. Averaged 4:24/km for the first 4 pretty bumpy miles, but even this effort felt too hard. Right Johnny, just keep the 4 mile sets as steady as you can and get the distance in...


    Ended up really enjoying the run. The conditions were really challenging but I felt strong. It was liberating enough not worrying about hitting prescribed paces and just running purely on feel and effort. Took on lots of liquids and 3 gels as I had a buddy on the bike with me. The company was a godsend to be fair. The other paces for the 4 mile sets were; 4:31/km. 4:36/km, 4:31/km.


    Sunday 10th September: 9.1k Recovery: 48:41@5:21/km


    Felt remarkably good on this one. Easy shuffle around the bog before heading up to the Aviva for the game.


    104km for the week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Off to the UK for a wedding tomorrow so this week is a bit of a step back week. 


    Mon: 9 Miles inc 12x12secs hills and 5 Miles Steady


    Harder run than usual due to trying to fit in a bit of quality before the little break. Was a little worried that the legs might be heavy after the LR on Sat but that wasn't the case. Hills woke up the legs nicely and was cruising for the 5 Miles Steady @4:24/km


    Tue: 10k Easy: 52:37 @5:16/km


    Feeling noticably fresher today. Drop in temperatures plus increasing fitness dovetailing nicely I think.


    Wed: Session: Alternating Tempo 8x(4mins@4:15/km,4mins @4:00/km)


    Biggest session I've probably done in the block and I'm happy to say probably the best and strongest I've felt yet. One of those days when even in the warm up, you know you're on it.

    Bit of a GPS glitch saw me have to start a new activity just after halfway. But it was a very brief issue and didn't affect things at all. The sketchy GPS probably saved me from myself.

    For the first few sets I was averaging about 3:56/4:08 for the on/off and I was moving so easily through the session that I was giving thought to going completely off plan and segueing into a 10 Mile TT of sorts and banishing some lingering Frank Duffy frustrations. Thankfully I chose not to do that and finished with 64 mins averaging 4:03/km pace, still considerably quicker than my FD pace.


    20.5k for the day. Confidence boosting stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Things are getting very real around these parts. The marathon dreams have started...vivid and weird in equal quantities so far but i'll spare any readers the details. Over in the UK for a wedding so had a few down days which we had planned for and hopefully have freshened things up for a couple of big training weeks ahead.

    Thursday 14th September: Rest

    Friday 15th September: 7 Miles Easy: 59:17@5:16/km

    Staying with friends in Cardiff before heading down to London for a wedding. Got a few easy miles in around the city.

    Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th September : Rest

    Home early on Sunday and had great plans to run, but was pretty tired and had scheduled the day off anyway so just decided to leave things.

    Monday 18th September: 10k Easy w/strides: 54:36 @5:28/km

    Glad to be back running after the little break. Felt okay

    Tuesday 19th September: Session 5x2k @4:05-4:00/km off 3min jog

    As I'm running the HM as part of a big LR session on Saturday, this had to happen on Tuesday. If not then we were going to downsize it to 3x2k on the Wednesday, but I managed to get it done. Conditions were iffy enough with a really strong wind playing havoc with my attempts to keep even splits. Only had a pair of Pegasus in the boot of the car, so had no assistance on my feet for this one. I once again managed to programme the watch incorrectly for the session. Instead of 5 repeats I only put in 2 so had to end activity after about 500m of the 3rd rep and do the rest manually. Pace felt pretty comfortable for the most part and there was a lot of checking myself for going too fast.

    Managed the pace and breeze pretty good in the end. Splits were 7:59, 7:58, 8:00, 7:57 & 7:58.

    About 15.6km for the day.

    Phoenix Park at the weekend. Few steady miles beforehand and then hopefullly a drama free MP workout sitting in the middle of the 90 min pace group.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Wednesday 20th September: 10k Easy: 52:15@5:13/km


    Thursday 21st September: 7 Miles Easy: 59:32@5:17/km


    Friday 22nd September: 5 Miles Easy: 40:27@5:02/km


    All fairly non-descript stuff. Had the beginnings of a dose on Friday and was slightly worried about getting sick but, spoiler alert, it was fairly mild and seems to have gone on its merry way by now.


    Sat 23rd September: LR Session: 22 Miles: 2wu/5St/13.1MP/2cd


    Aside from a couple of pacing gigs in the past (ironically one of these was a 90min HM pace job) I'd never toed the line in a race where I wasn't planning a race effort. So Saturday was a new (and very enjoyable) experience.


    Got up to the PP in decent time. Got a good parking spot down the bottom of White's Road and decided I'd head in to do the first 7 miles whilst also taking advantage of the Portaloos and pick up some safety pins from the Information tent. Had a running hoody/jacket type thing on as it was a bit nippy. Once I'd gotten the aforementioned couple of bits out of the way, I said I'd just plough on with the steady miles and return to the car near the end to change into race singlet and stick on bib.


    Coming down towards the Zoo I was sweating absolute buckets, unsure as to whether it was down to my poor choice of running apparel or actually being sick. As i'd no top underneath this hoody, I spared the my fellow runners the sight of my shimmering torso and got back to the car as quickly as I could. Into the singlet, number on and finished out the steady section just in time to meet AMK who had once again generously agreed to keep me company.


    (7:13, 7:16, 7:16, 7:19 & 7:09) 5 Steady


    Took up a position in the pen close to the 90min pacers (Killerz from these here parts performed pacing duties admirably throughout) and shot the breeze for a few minutes. The liberation of not racing felt amazing here!


    The pace felt very comfortable from the off. The pace group was a little tight to be honest, but I was just using them to zone out and not worry about the pace for the first few miles. Myself and AMK were having the chats and talking about anything and everything here; Ange-ball, United, shoes, races, athletes etc. I'd probably have found the two of us annoying If I was racing beside us! Debated getting ahead of the pace group at a couple of points, but decided to leave it as it was very crowded and didn't really need to. Turning onto Chesterfield was a bit of sh1t show. Really tight corner through the railings at the top and then the tight paths didn't make for a great route. Then again I didn't really mind as I wasn't racing. Ran behind some dude for a mile or so with a bluetooth speaker in his pocket that was thumping out tunes!


    Miles 1-5 (6:51, 6:45, 6:50, 6:58, 6:53)


    Things opened up a bit as we got to the football pitches and we were able to extricate ourselves from the traffic a bit. Ran with Alistair Higgins? the ultra runner who was out for a run for a mile or so and we peppered him with a few questions about Spartathlon. Turned onto Acres Rd for the first time and was tipping nicely. At this point I think AMK asked me how I was feeling and my answer was along the lines of 'Alan, I feel like I should be pacing the thing' I wasn't working at all and I was feeling very good.


    Miles 6-9 (6:36, 6:45, 6:46, 6:44)


    Coming down Ordnance Survey rd Alan tells me I'd moved on to 6:30 pace and if I wanted to go, then work away. I hadn't consciously upped the pace, but I was happy enough to finish at a bit of a quicker clip. Upped the pace without pushing too hard, and gave the last 400m a bit of a bash.


    Miles 10-13 (6:23, 6:34, 6:30, 6:20)


    Official Time was 1:28:26. Was really happy at how easy MP felt and how fresh I was after the run. Was in a great mood afterwards and with 5 weeks left, I can't wait for Oct 29th. I've come a long way since the start of the year. If I can rock into DCM feeling as good as I did on Saturday then I'll take that.


    Sun: 10.2k Recovery: 55:17@5:25/km


    Rambled around Shelbyville while eldest fella was at a party. There was a 10k & 10 Mile race going on. From what I could ascertain most of it took place on the footpaths of Naas and looked really sketchy from a runner safety point of view.


    102k for the week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    Great to see this, I was in the park doing a session on Sat morning, hung around after and saw yourself and AMK nattering away coming up by the acres, it all looked very, very comfortable, fair play



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Monday 25th September: 10.2k Easy: 53:49@5:18/km

    Ramble on the plains.

    Tuesday 26th September: 7 Miles inc 12x12sec Hills: 56:00@4:58/km

    Around the Camp. Hills woke legs up a bit as I'd felt a bit on the sluggish side during the main body of the run.

    Wednesday 27th September: Session 20k inc 64min Alternating Tempo: 1:24:14@4:13/km

    This was looming over me all day in work, and as the weather continued to deteriorate outside, so did my mood! I'd made up my mind that it was happening and decided against a suggestion to move it tomorrow. So with horizontal rain sheeting down, I set off onto the trusty loop. I figured the 1.2k loop would at least give me some chance at consistent splits, whatever they may look like. I was willing to go by effort if target times weren't an option. The session was actually meant to be 9x4mins on/off but the condtions were so bad that I said I'd just decide as the session went how wise a move it would be to complete the whole session.

    As it turned out things went fairly well. It was character building stuff don't get me wrong, but the loops helped and I felt strong. I nearly got clipped by a falling branch at one juncture and the flooding on one part of the loop nearly saw it become unpassable, but we got out the other side in one piece. I did cap it at 64 mins as I was pretty beaten up by then and had at least matched the length of the previous Alternating Tempo session from a couple of weeks ago. Averaged 3:57/km for the 'on' and 4:12/km for the off, pretty similar to the previous session but in much more challenging conditions. The 'off' stuff in or around MP felt good, so all in all a good effort.

    Thursday 28th September: 8.7k Recovery: 48:16/km@5:33/km

    Sleepy shuffle at 5:40am. Was wide awake from 5am so figured I might as well get the recovery run in and free up the rest of the day

    Listened to the latest episode of Inside Running Podcast this morning. Some great marathon advice in there regarding pacing and negative splits etc. I'd recommend it to everyone. The lads don't do short pods, but the chat at the start of the episode and again at 1hr20mins is golden.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Cheers for the podcast recommendation! Had a listen & it makes so much sense but Jesus you need to be so disciplined to follow it & believe it! I think we are always afraid that we'll leave something out there, it's such a fine line!

    Nice training, had one of those character building runs myself on Wednesday 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭MisterJinx


    "Ran behind some dude for a mile or so with a bluetooth speaker in his pocket that was thumping out tunes!" - I bet it's the same fella I did the first half of DCM with last year, dear god it's annoying, it took an age to get clear of him 😫



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,558 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Passed a guy in Berlin with similar, had the speaker jammed somewhere Ito his hydration vest. Super annoying music choices! 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Friday 29th September: 10k Easy: 51:06 @5:06/km


    Wore the 1080v12's for this one. I think that the Nike Invincibles have sort of ruined other easy shoes for me. Maybe it's just where I am with my fitness levels at the moment, where I'm either running hard or easy with not much steady or steadier easy stuff in there. It's not that I don't like the shoes, it's just that I spent most of the run thinking I'd prefer if the Invincibles were on the feet.


    Saturday 30th September: 5 Miles Easy: 41:13 @5:07/km


    Very comfortable run in a downpour. Wore my beloved Invincibles.


    Sunday 1st October: LR: 22 Miles: 2E/8MP+10/2E/8MP/2E: 2:34:59 @4:23/km


    October has arrived which always focuses the mind when one has Dublin on the agenda. Was looking forward to this one, as I have for the majority of LR's in recent times. I'm just enjoying being back and being lucky enough to do what I love I suppose.


    Up at 5:30 to have some porridge. Out the door around 7:30am, and again my injured running buddy was happy to accompany me on the bike. Same route as 21 Miler from a couple of weeks back with a little extra Lidl loop early on to make up the extra distance.


    The route for the 8 steady is nice for the first 4 miles and then takes a more sinister turn with a couple of ropey drags. Aiming for 4:20 average, so I tried to bank a little time in those easier miles. (6:53, 6:55, 6:52, 6:51 for a 4:17/km ave). Navigated the trickier miles pretty well, trying not to veer into marathon effort but still working hard up the drags (6:59, 6:58, 7:02, 6:59 for a 4:21/km ave). Sharp downhill at the end of the last mile wasn't really welcome, but I was happy to average 4:19/km whilst simulataneously pondering my ability to up the pace to 4:12/km's (6:46/mile) for the MP section.


    At this juncture I ventured to Ferg on the bike that I had some misgivings about the Alphaflys I had chosen to wear. I'd decided a way back, that I would wear the Vaporflys for the HM session and the Alphaflys for this run (which was originally due to be on the DCM course but that just didn't pan out) and decide. There's just too much shoe for me. It's not neccesarily the weight, more the area of the sole. There's too much contact on the ground. I'm not a very elegant runner, more of a plodder, despite the bounce that it is definitely there with the shoes, I feel like I'm plodding the whole time in them.


    Anyway, the MP miles would have a long drag at the start and then a killer of hill, about 500m and that I would regularly use for hill sessions, about 2k from the end which was fun. Started into the effort with a 6:46 mile, the next mile up the drag came in at 6:58. As I'd average pace for the step on the watch I set about working my way back up to 4:12/km pace. This was achieved but I went too far the other way! 6:28, 6:31, 6:38, 6:29 & 6:38 miles followed as the average pace gradually went up. These miles didn't feel like it wasn't marathon effort. I was happy to maintain the pace as I didn't feel like I was pushing the boat put. It's the feeling I'm hoping to have in the 2nd half of DCM; tired, working hard but feeling good about holding this effort. Gurned my way up the hill at the end, tough going I have to say, but got moving again later to close with a 6:49 mile for a 4:09/km average for the MP miles.


    Ambled down the road for the 2 miles cool down and finished content with my morning's work. I won't be averaging 4:09/km for DCM, but I definitely feel I could finish the race at that pace if we have a good day at the office. But that type of talk and planning is for another day. Still a couple of weeks to navigate my way through.


    104km for the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    "Maybe it's just where I am with my fitness levels at the moment, where I'm either running hard or easy with not much steady or steadier easy stuff in there"


    I'm saying nutin'



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Monday 2nd October: 10k Easy: 53:40@5:22/km


    Tuesday 3rd October: 10.1k Easy: 51:00@5:02/km


    Wednesday 4th October: 10k Easy: 51:54@5:11/km


    Nothing to report from any of the above. Glad of the extra easy day. Definitely felt this week that I was nearing the end of the block and looking forward to getting to race.


    Thursday 5th October: Session 15 Miles: 4E/4St/4MP/2MP+/1E: 1:46:54 @4:26/km


    Didn't get out until after 6 on a really filthy evening. Probablt hadn't fuelled enough but it was an akward sort of day and I was doing well to fit it in at all. Bit down and headed out on the loop in the Curragh and navigated my way throughthe session. 

    Averaged 4:26/4:10/3:58 for the St/MP/MP+ sections. Felt pretty crap during the steady miles, but once I got going during the MP section I started to feel decent. Cream crackered by the end.


    Friday 6th October: 5k Easy: 27:22 @5:28/km


    Just a little leg stretcher. Felt slow.


    Saturday 7th October: 7 Miles inc 5 Steady: 52:04@4:37/km


    If the intention was to tire the legs for the following day's LR then I didn't actually need the 5 steady miles as the legs were already there. Felt better after the run though. 4:27/km average for the steady section.


    Sunday 8th October: LR: 20 Miles: 2WU/(4St/4MP x2)/2CD: 2:23:47 @4:28/km


    *Spoiler: This Indian summer can f off back to India.


    If there was any temptation to look past this 20 Miler due to the decrease in length on previous weeks' LRs then the heat and general levels of tiredness meant there was no chance of this.


    Chose a pretty tough route as per other weeks with an extra couple of drags included. In line with Thursday's session, felt like crap during the steady miles and positively chipper for (most of) the MP miles. Really felt the heat during the last MP set of miles, and was working very hard here. All in all though, another good LR session in the bag. Average paces for the two 4St/4MP sections were; (4:31,4:12/km & 4:31,4:11/km)


    104k for the week


    Feeling relatively calm about DCM at this point in time. Well, calm in a not worrying about it sense. I *am* looking forward to the big day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Monday 9th October: 8.2k Recovery: 43:24@5:18/km


    Tuesday 10th October: 8.2k Easy inc 2x5x20secs strides: 45:26@5:31/km


    Wednesday 11th October: Session 4x1k/1k/1k: 10 Miles: 1:08:03@4:13/km


    Tight for time due to one or two things cropping up unexpectedly. Decided I'd just shorten the warm up and cool down and leave the planned session intact.


    Tentative plan was to make each 3k set progressive with 4:15/4:05/3:55 being the prescribed paces. Had been feeling pretty leggy on the Mon and Tue, but felt great on this one. Each set seemed to fly by and more often than not I found myself having to row back on the pace. Splits were;


    1: 4:10, 4:01, 3:51

    2. 4:03, 4:00, 3:48

    3. 4:04, 4:03, 3:50

    4. 4:08, 4:01, 3:48


    Cool down to bring up 10 Miles for the day. Tipping nicely.


    Thursday 12th October: 8.2k: 45:17 @5:31/km


    Shuffle.


    Friday 13th October: Rest. I am sort of tapering I suppose. Didn't feel like it this week. 


    Saturday 14th October: 8 Miles Inc 4 steady: 1:00:38@4:42/km


    Steady miles averaged 4:30/km. Felt decent by the end of the run.


    Sunday 15th October: LR: 17Miles: 2WU/6MP/1E/6MP/2CD

    2:00:17 @4:24/km


    Took myself down to Monasterevin to a buddy to do this on the canal towpath. He was on the bike and was on drinks and gels duty. A beautiful morning, crisp and cold with no wind. You'd be happy if there was a repeat of the weather in two weeks time.


    The route was a nice change to previous LRs too with the flat towpath, save for a couple of bridges to navigate. Once I got into a rhythm the miles flew by. The two MP sections averaged 4:12/km & 4:09/km and I felt tired and pretty good at the end.


    81k for the week. Ready to taper now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    104k last week/ 81k this week.

    Defo taper. Glad you didn't feel that way. Need to hold the intensity & drop volume.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    In other news, I'm selling a dog. PM me for details.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Update: Decided to keep the dog.


    Monday 16th October: Rest


    Resisted urge to run with some difficulty.


    Tuesday 17th October: 5 Miles Easy Inc 6x20secs strides: 43:30@5:24/km


    Strides woke up the legs nicely.


    Wednesday 18th October: 12 Miles Inc 5.2k + 2.5k @MP: 1:27:39 @4:33/km


    Managed to manouever a window to get up early and session on DCM route. Great idea in theory, but ended up not hydrating at all and feeling pretty meh. The main idea was to just reaquaint myself with the first 10 miles or so and remind myself of the need to start very conservatively. Parked on the North Road and waited until it was somewhat bright and tipped away down towards the James Joyce bridge. Plan was to go with a marathon effort from the bridge the whole way through Castleknock, then easy until the turn in Chapelizod with a final marathon effort until Kilmainham.


    Had some dodgy GPS signal for first 3/400 meters through Stoneybatter, so the first 6:55 mile was faster, maybe a lot faster as I definitely over compensated to get back on pace. 6:47, 6:44, 6:44 miles followed up Chesterfield Avenue. Found myself having to reign myself in a bit here and the legs felt pretty good. 7 minute mile up to the highest point of the DCM course in Castleknock followed. Got caught a bit with traffic, commuters, leaves etc here but it certainly reminded me that the section outside the PP is a sneaky little drag. Averaged 4:15/km pace for the section which was probably a little faster due to the Stoneybatter section.


    Things started to get harder after this. The drop in pace for the easy miles down Tower Road and back down the Glen in the PP was just a bit grim. Legs started to feel really heavy and by the time I got to the bottom of the drag in Chapelizod and was faced with a upping the pace to Kilmainham, I wasn't felling it at all!


    Went as hard as I thought was necessary but didn't push to get on marathon pace. It's another sneaky little patch of the route, so all in all whilst I wasn't exactly rampaging my way through the session, I was glad I did it. The 2k back to the car were just pure misery! Once I got some breakfast on board I was feeling a lot better. Will be better prepared next time I run those roads :)


    Thursday 19th October: 5 Miles Easy: 42:35 @5:17/km


    Friday 20th October: 5 Miles Easy: 45:37 @5:40/km


    With a buddy who is running DCM. Good catch up.


    Saturday 21st October: Long Run: 19.7km: 1:30:00 @4:34/km

    Plan was for 30E/30MP/30E. Didn't get out until late in the afternoon. Felt good for the most part, last 30 mins were a bit of a drag. I'd reached the end of my good will towards this training block and just wanted to start tapering properly and get to next Sunday as quickly as possible.


    4:39/km (told off for this pace, wasn't intentional to run that quick), 4:11/km & 4:55/km for each of the 30min sections.


    Sunday 22nd October: 7k Easy: 37:25@5:21/km


    70k for the week. Looking forward to the race now I'm happy to report.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    Nice work J. Good idea with the first part of route. There really are some drags in there, that are probably not respected enough. They don't seem so bad when in a huge group though. Go well the rest of week and may bump into ya Sunday!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Very best of luck J, rooting for you to do well😊 Your training has been spot on now reap the rewards!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭djemba djemba


    Best of luck J. Enjoy the day, looking forward to seeing the fruits of your labour pay off on Sunday. Give it socks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭ariana`


    That's one lucky dog to get away with that 😮

    Best of luck on Sunday, hope it's a good one!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Week is dragging a little bit but feeling pretty good. Legs felt great on 3MP + 4x200 mini session yesterday. If you told me in January that I'd be toeing the line in DCM at all, never mind in something resembling a fit state, I probably wouldn't have believed you. I'm not trying to insert an easy failsafe for Sunday by saying that whatever happens in the race is a bonus, but that is 100% the frame of mind I am in. I never felt that getting back into sub 3 shape was a realistic target when I started the block, but I'm definitely in the place now where if I have a good day, I'll dip under.

    Not going after sub 2:45 or a PB is liberating to an extent, but you always put a certain amount of pressure on yourself to get a result that does justice to your fitness. The pace doesn't hold any fears for me, I've done it many times in the past. The route doesn't either as I know it well enough at this stage and, barring any late weather events, the race strategy will be very similar to my last DCM in '19.

    I've gotten fit enough to run a marathon again. I'm running again and enjoying it. 2024 will be a year where hopefully I can start thinking about doing justice to the title of this log. This Sunday is just about enjoying (well, as much as one can a marathon!) the race and getting the best time the marathon gods allow me on the day. Best of luck to everyone else on here too.

    PS: @Lambay island, I expect to see no part of you on the course, but hopefully I won't be too far behing you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Week would be dragging if you're a United fan and were watching their champions league effort this week 😂


    I'm looking forward to Sunday and I'm not even running. Best of luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    "I'm running again and enjoying it."

    This line for me says it all🤗



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing



    Hey - this guy ran a near perfect DCM back in 2019.

    A very decent negative split too - maybe have a read and take some notes :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭Lambay island




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Near perfect for sure😊

    But if you want perfection you can just check out my recent marathon 😜🤣



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    2:58:57


    I've run faster. I'll run a lot faster in the future. But that was the most satisfying. A great morning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Well done J, brilliant that you enjoyed it so much. Smashing run.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Dublin Marathon 2023


    I'll post later on in the week about the block and comeback as a whole, but the race report will suffice for today.


    Preamble:

    Expo passed without drama. Met the great Macphisto in person for the first time on the way back to the car. 


    The Friday and Saturday really dragged this time around, and the carb load was tough work. It served its purpose though and had no worries on that side of things.


    Very light sleep Saturday, struggled to stay awake watching the rugby but by midnight I was watching the Ngannou Fury fight! 


    Up at 5am to organise myself and be ready for a lift at 6am. Buddy who was giving me the lift works on Merrion square directly beside the bag drop so once again I had a pretty sweet set up pre race. About 10 mins before leaving I checked the battery percentage of my watch...90% 'Not bad, but sure I'll just stick it on charge quickly and bring it up to 100%'. You can probably see where this is going. Fast forward to entering the aforementioned office in Merrion Square and me realising that I'd left the watch at home.


    Unbelievable. Luckily, my buddy's watch had about 50% battery left and as he was running between a couple of locations with gels and water for me, he didn't need it.


    Stressful 10 mins as I tried and failed to change his auto lap to miles instead of KMs. The Garmin connect app on his iPhone was different to the android version, so it was decided for me that I would be running in KMs.


    Composed myself, listened to a 7 min segment of an episode of the Inside Running Podcast that I mentioned a while back. It served as just a reminder to leave the ego behind and that real bravery in marathons isn't going out hard and slowing or just clinging on. It's going out conservatively and having the confidence to know that a lot of the runners flying by will be coming back to me later.


    The Race:


    The plan in a nutshell was, 4:15 kms down to James Joyce bridge and then 4:20's up until the high point of the course in Castleknock. I was prepared to be anything up to a minute behind the 3 hr balloons after 7 miles and gradually up the pace and get ahead and stay ahead of the pacers.


    Found myself ahead of the balloons in the pen, and probably was about 8-10 seconds ahead of them over the start line. Kept a mental note of that just in case margins tightened up late in the race.


    The usual chaos of the first few hundred metres took place. Kept out of any trouble and made sure the hand brake was firmly applied as the generous course profile down to the Liffey always has the capacity to get one moving too quickly. 


    4:14, 4:11 & 4:16 kms got me to Stoneybatter. Managed to avoid a couple of random pedestrians who tried to cross through the throngs of runners and nearly took out a couple of people. These miles were enjoyable and tough at the same time. Was conscious to take in all the atmosphere, but it was difficult slowing up and letting runners go by. Whilst I was confident in my plan, I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a couple of fleeting doubts. 4:18 & 4:23 kms through to the PP.


    Pace group steamed by me just as we approached Garda HQ. Had another buddy out on the course on a bike and he met me just before the 5 Mile mark with a water and gel. In a glorious coincidence AMK was also here in the PP, so the lads had a quick intro and then cycled next to me for a couple of kms up Chesterfield Avenue cracking jokes at my expense! 4:09 (way off), 4:16, 4:20, 4:16 kms for this section and I really was backing off. I found myself looking forward to getting through Castleknock so I could let the legs go a little


    At this point I'll go off on a little tangent. The mile markers seemed to be way out at times, much more than I ever remember in previous years. I know they can't be exact, but they just seemed to be very erratically positioned which made it tricky to judge how far back I was at times.


    Official 10km Split of 43:06


    That had me 36 seconds down on Sub 3 pace. On the course working off the 7 mile marker I was 63 seconds down. Through Castleknock in 4:14 & 4:12 kms and then took advantage of the downhill. I had to check myself here and not get too excited. The balloons were coming back to me very quickly as I threw in 4:08, 4:07, 4:10 & 4:08 kms down Tower Road and the Upper Glen back inside the PP. Whilst I was wary of winding things up too early, I decided entering Chapelizod that I was going to sit behind the pace group on the couple of drags up to  Kilmainham and then try and get ahead of them.


    Took it very handy up St Laurence's, 4:27km. The vista here of the foggy early morning sunshine and steam coming off the runners was pretty cool and even though it's a sharp little drag, I really enjoyed it. Credit to Irish Life too for the cowbells they were handing out too. Made for a great atmosphere.


    I'd be dubious about the 4:09, 4:06, 4:06 kms that Strava had me pencilled in for up to 20k, but I was eating up road and feeling very good here.


    Official 20k Split 1:25:10 (42:04)



    I tipped ahead of the 3 hour group on the South Circular Road. I debated just sitting in with them through Crumlin, but I was feeling amazing and the minute or two I spent in the pack sort of annoyed me, so I made a little move and away I went towards the Half Way point. Official half way split was 1:29:58. The 10k from 20k to 30k were pretty much perfect. Was pulling away from the balloons and passing a lot of people. I'd committed to going for home this early, slightly risky, but it wasn't like I was churning out crazy fast splits either. Wife and Kids were just past the Submarine Bar in Walkinstown so that was a nice distraction. Walkinstown, Terenure all full of great support. 


    Official 30k Split 2:07:14 (42:04) How do you like those last two 10 splits?


    Heading towards Milltown I found myself, like everyone else, pondering what awaited me at the business end of things. I was beginning to tire a little and my calves were starting to let their feelings known to me. I just tried to keep in a rhythm and work off people around me. Milltown passed without incident, pace still fine. Was doing some mental arithmetic as I approached Clonskeagh and I reckoned I had about 45 seconds in the bag. So I'm thinking that worst case scenario, 4:22's would still see me home. The Clonskeagh/Roebuck stretch was tough and I got a real scare when I got a bit of a stinger in the right calf and for about 20 seconds I thought that my race might be ran. But it bubbled back down and threateningly stayed in the background for the rest of the race. 4:21 and 4:25 kms got me to the top of the hill and thankfully I followed them up with 4:08, 4:09 and 4:04 kms. It was mind over matter at this stage. My mate on the bike observed that I was a bit pale over the last couple of miles which was a sign I was digging very deep. 


    Official 40k Split 2:49:17 (42:03) So close to 3 consecutive identical 10k splits!


    The last couple of kms in a marathon have never not hurt, and this was no exception. I was tired and the right calf was definitely under a bit of pressure, but I knew I had the A goal in the bag. Enjoyed the Purple Mile and maintained a sub 3 pace until the end.


    Crossed the line in 2:58:57, a very satisfied man. Just about to board a plane to Fuerteventura with the family here now, so will maybe post my overview from poolside with a nice cold cerveza at hand.


    Finally, a big big hat tip to AMK who kindly and brilliantly took on coaching duties for the block. This whole show was nearly off the road for good, but Alan really did play a massive part in getting me back. A top top man.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    Very well done and managed superbly! Enjoy the hols!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭ClashCityRocker


    Great stuff - seems like a well executed day, many folks would have panicked at forgetting the watch but you brushed it off and trusted yourself. Great way to finish off what seems to have been a back to basics, very solid training block which hopefully you enjoyed. I might borrow the idea of listening to IRP before a race, some straight talking from Moose would surely focus the mind :-)



  • Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭MrMacPhisto


    Well done Mr. Healy. A great race and a great report. Although the 42:03 is a bit of a blemish :P Enjoy the holidays. I think you may owe the aforementioned AMK a few pints of Guinness.

    Looking forward to hearing your future plans, but don't worry about that right now....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    That debt has been paid in willingness to do hard sessions, not questioning the plan (too much) and friendship,...................sorry I meant beer - craft beer and plenty of it!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,000 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Excellent lad well done!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    Congrats on the comeback, J - really really good to see you back putting the work in and getting the rewards from it too. You strike me as someone who gets a lot back from running so its bound to have a positive impact all around. I've watched your training from afar since the summer and you've been a model of consistency, it just shows you what people can achieve when the discipline\motivation\both kicks in, well done to you and to AMK.


    Recover well



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing



    "Johnny came to me as a 2.53 Marathoner............................."



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    You're going about it all wrong. "Johnny came to me on a 5 x 3min walk/1min run schedule" should be the opening line...



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    So now the dust has settled on all things DCM, where are we?


    Well, in simple terms, I've gone from a run/walk programme in Dec '22 and massively unfit to my sub 3 outing in Dublin. I didn't think I could get there. Hands down, that wasn't in my thoughts at all.


    Reading Lambay's overview on his log, and how he described his preference to running marathons, struck a chord with me. When I reached out to AMK in April, the overiding sentiment was 'If this show is going to get back on the road, then I need the carrot of DCM to aim for'. I love running marathons and whilst this may have been to the detriment of some of my shorter distance PBs over the years, the positives of how building towards a marathon focuses me and makes me feel, is far more valuable to me a few seconds over a 10k or something.


    Another reason for asking AMK to take the reins, was that for this marathon I couldn't face using my tried and trusted training approach to marathon blocks, even though I know works for me. I just couldn't do the familiar sessions, knowing the times and splits I'd posted in the not-too-distant past. I was in a pretty fragile place mentally and I think churning out the same sessions but much slower would have had a pretty detrimental effect.


    Alan might post something about how he structured the sessions, but I had total trust that he would get me to the start line in the best shape that we could cobble together. What I will say, and this is maybe what I'm most excited about, is that towards the end of the block, I felt myself getting fit very quickly. I think that I can build on this fitness now and get into PB shape at least for the next tilt (more on that later). By the end of the block I was properly back. Whatever weight I still have to lose, and there's a bit to go, will be gone soon enough. The eye is back in. I'm eager for road.


    In hindsight I'm happy that a 2:58 marathon felt very very comfortable. Some of fitness I had built up in the preceding years was still hanging around thank god. I might have gotten greedy and paced things a bit more aggressively, but the whole block was geared around not being aggressive and resisting the temptation of doing too much too soon.


    My race execution was pretty spot on. I don't know how many more examples I need to drill home the fact that almost ALL of my PBs and great races have involved me winding things up in the second half of the race and not chasing some consistent and arbitrary pace.


    So where to now. I feel like there's a decent amount of endurance there, but I don't feel fast at all. WIll try and sharpen up for a few weeks in Nov/Dec and maybe race a 5k or 10k. Nothing concrete there at the moment. I am however, aiming to race both a Spring and Autumn marathon next year. If 2:58 on a course like Dublin is where I am now, then I feel like there's a lot of improvement there for me to find next year. As Lambay said, I like running marathons. I like the build up, the buzz, the long runs, the warm up races etc.


    My marathon PB of 2:53 is extremely soft. I think that I can do something about it next time out for sure. As for the title of the log, we'll see how things go. I'm just looking to keep building fitness and if I do, the times will come. I am however, done chasing arbitrary times and paces and to the followers of this log, feel free to remind me of this at any stage in the future.


    I'm in the lottery for Berlin. I know I said that if I went back there I was going through the front door, but it is what it is. That was a bit of a bluster from a runner who was pretty sure he was going under that mark very soon. If I don't get into Berlin I'll probably just throw a GFA entry into Dublin.


    As for the Spring.....I don't know. Don't fancy a return to Manchester. Rotterdam would be the first choice but that's sold out. Hamburg maybe, but have done no homework on that one. Might throw in a GFA entry to London, but that deadline is soon I think so may get a move on if I'm doing that. Haven't even looked at cut off times from last year so 2:58 might not even be enough for the 40-45 bracket.


    All of this before I've even given a thought to how I'm going train for said marathons. Exciting times!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Great post J. I have done a bit of homework on Hamburg and a number of other April/ early May marathons. Hamburg costs the same as all the others ie. €110 approx, hotels are broadly similarly priced as other cities and it's a flat course. The big upside for me is the number of flights to Hamburg and the fact they are significantly cheaper than the other options at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Great read. It's been a heartwarming comeback. Congrats to yourself and AMK.


    On a side note re: next Spring. Entries opened today for the Trim 10 mile.


    On a side side note: We'll get a sub 5 mile out of you yet 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭mister paul


    Trim has already sold out by the looks of things



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    I'll be looking for a transfer myself so, which seems to be a regular thing as I always get caught out by the rush🙄. Genuine reason this year though. I'm waiting on a replacement credit card in the post.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Not a whole lot going on since the marathon. This year more than ever, I was amazed at how little recovery time a lot runners take after a marathon. Saw loads of people staright back into sessions the following weekend and then just carrying on as normal, onto the next block. I know that shoe technology has lessened the toll on the legs from racing a marathon, getting back on the horse straight away just seems really risky to me. Anyway, that sort of carry on did not happen here.

    Enjoyed a week in Fuerteventura after the marathon. Got in a few easy runs on some super running routes that would have been very nice to run on if I had some actial running to do. 24k, 26k & 58k for the last 3 weeks. Mini session of 6x1min on/off last week. Meant to be 10 but I rinsed myself on the first couple and was out of gas by #6. In my defence I only decided mid run I was going to a session! 11 Miles @4:47/km last Saturday. Have the bones of a block laid out to get me to Raheny in January and recover some type of speed and then hoping to start a marathon block for Limerick. That may change if I decide the 14 weeks to Limerick isn't enough. Humming and hawing a bit there.

    Monday 20th November: 8.2km Easy: 43:10 @5:15/km

    Had planned on this being the first part of a double but window for run after work disappeared.

    Tuesday 21st November: 10.2k Easy: 51:44 @5:04/km

    Easy around Kilcullen while young lad had training.

    Wednesday 22nd November: Session 3x8mins Threshold off 3min jog: 10k: 42:04 @4:12/km

    Almost stayed in the car and didn't do this. Was late starting, weather was sh1t and I wasn't in the humour...but I managed to shoehorn it in and of course I was happy I did. Had to cut down warm up and cool down but still got the full session in. Paces for the 8mins repeats were (3:50/km, 3:49/km, 3:49/km). Probably a little faster than my current threshold and probably benefitted from a second or two in the GPS stakes, but felt pretty strong overall.

    Picked up a pair of Pegasus 40's for 62quid in the Nike sale. No interest in the Vaporfly 2's. I have a pair and maybe I just got a dud pair, but they're not a patch on the 1's. Ever since I debuted them in a disastrous HM TT in the Phoenix Park I've had a thing against them :) Will probably pick up a pair of Vaporfly 3's with the gift vouchers that Santa will inevitably bring me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Monday 27th November: 7 Miles Easy: 59:49@5:18/km


    Tuesday 28th November: 10k Easy: 51:18@5:08/km


    Wednesday 29th November: Session: 10x300m off 90secs jog: 12.2k: 55:24@4:34/km


    Was in Naas for a meeting, so took myself off to the Parkrun track at the racecourse. Cold and misty, session went okay. The 300m reps were described as '3k pace', whatever the hell that means! I just ran them at as hard a pace as I thought I could maintain for 10 reps. GPS was a bit sketchy at times but all the efforts felt similar and on point and all clocked in between 60-63 secs...which on paper is just so slow, but we are where we are. These sessions are needed to sharpen me up and man am I blunt!


    Thursday 30th November: 10k Easy: 51:48 @5:11/km


    Friday 1st December: Session: 55mins inc 15min Tempo: 11.7k @4:42/km


    Fighting a bad dose at the moment, but I am still fairly functional. Breathing exclusively through my mouth, but still functional. 15 min Tempo to be pitched between 10Mile and HMP pace, but ideally closer to HMP. Came in at 3:54/km which seems about right? Who knows though, but not really important in the greater scheme of things at the moment.


    Saturday: 10k Easy: 52:06@5:12/km


    Sunday: 100min Easy: 18.9k


    Meh enough kind of week, but still managed to build mileage and add in a sprinkling of quality. More of a light dusting really, but got out 7 days and feeling decent.


    84.1k for the week


    Berlin ballot out Wednesday, will decide on Spring/Summer destinations then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,206 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Was unsuccessful in the Berlin ballot which I'm not overly bothered about. Looking at Frankfurt or Amsterdam instead. GFA entry to Dublin is always an option but I think I'd like to give an overseas marathon another bash and see can I actually put up a half decent run outside of Ireland (Larne doesn't really count does it!?). Entered Limerick so that's the first half of the year set in stone anyway.


    December has been hectic as ever. June and December are always mental in my line of work, so I'm just getting in what I can and get to January in as good a nick as possible. Have a plan up until Raheny, but I'm picking and choosing a bit from it at the moment as things are just a bit all over the place. I've a mate running Seville and hoping to break 3 hours so I've been giving him a dig out on his long runs which deviate greatly from the easy LRs on the plan. I don't really mind though and one or two sharper sessions a week and a decent LR workout will do the trick for the moment.


    Monday 4th December: 10k Easy: 51:47@5:11/km


    Tuesday 5th December: 8 Miles Easy: 1:03:09@4:54/km


    Both late enough in the evening after busier than expected days. Had planned a hill session for the Tuesday, but by the the time 9pm came around and I dragged myself out the door, hills weren't happening


    Wednesday 6th December: 7 Miles inc 12x30sec hills: 56:02@4:58/km


    Horrendous conditions for this one. Actual session was meant to be 10x45secs hills, but the hill I had planned to those on was unrunnable with leaves, puddles, debris etc. Went to another hill in the camp, a shorter sharper hill so I added on a couple of reps. Ran them pretty hard and legs were nice and wobbly by the end.


    Thursday 7th December: 6 Miles Easy: 48:47 @5:03/km


    Friday 8th December: Didn't get out after work, and with the Santa Steam train on the cards for Saturday, just ran a longer easier effort in the evening.

    13.6k Easy: 1:10:57 @5:13/km


    Saturday 8th December: Rest


    Sunday 9th December: Long Run: 25.3k: 1:52:52 @4:29/km inc 5/4/3/2/1 @4:11/km ave.


    Out the door before 7am in absolutely shite conditions. As I mentioned above, I'm helping out a mate who is doing Seville and it keeps me in touch with the longer stuff so I'll do a few more of them with him. Felt great on this one, apart from some horrendous chafing. Forgot to put on body glide, wore a pair of shorts that I'd never worn in the rain...and the result was pretty grim.


    83k for the week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭Comic Book Guy


    Seen on Strava that ya are listening to The Stand. Cracking book, that will get ya through a lot of training miles over next few weeks!



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