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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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    #27452
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121309516#Comment_121309516

    you're right, we have already seen what MAGA might do. And it was squashed pretty quickly when somebody in charge decided to squash it. You can't let these people hold the country hostage.



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    #27453
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,554 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121309639#Comment_121309639

    Anyone in the USA in a position of power to resist Trump or perceived as such by the MAGA loons.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #27454
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,326 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121309645#Comment_121309645

    For sure, but it gets even trickier again when those MAGA dolts now have a distinct hand in government too, I should have also added. Congress' gavel now in the hands of a fully fledged MAGA / religious extremist, and various MAGA heads dotted about Congress + the Senate. Drop the hammer too heavily, at the wrong time in the wrong context and suddenly those federal institutions have Washington looking over their shoulder. This does require a certain deftness of touch and I do somewhat respect the slow and methodical approach being taken here. Everything has to be beyond reproach 'cos while the cultists are a lost cause, at the same time the federal apparatus has been seen to be about as measured as possible, even erring on the side of deferential towards Trump's madness



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    #27455
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121309696#Comment_121309696

    The MAGA dolts were running the country at the time.



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    #27456
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121309653#Comment_121309653

    well thankfully they dont all seem to be spineless.



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    #27457
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    For the Trumpettes that are saying that the fraud case is a victimless crime, the expert witness currently on the stand said banks lost $168 million in interest on 4 properties that were incorrectly valued.


    https://twitter.com/Uebey/status/1719737923359166558?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1719737923359166558%7Ctwgr%5E5515f4e0dae5f9f8b07710994809b5e2d965473e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2Flive%2F2023%2Fnov%2F01%2Ftrump-fraud-trial-testimony-trump-jr-latest-updates




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    #27458
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Despite all of Trump’s legal issues and the mountain of evidence against him, at this moment in time I consider his chances of being elected worrying high.



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    #27459
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,607 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311326#Comment_121311326

    Definitely. He'll almost certainly be the GOP nominee, regardless of 14th Amendment cases (as he'll likely tie those up long enough in appeals even on the off-chance the decision went against him, which I don't see happening), and none of the other GOP candidates are going to get close enough to beat him at this stage. Pence has already dropped out, and DeSantis will almost inevitably end up clicking his heels three times and going home.

    Which means even if Trump is campaigning from prison, he'll be the GOP nominee, and he'll be using his prosections to turn himself into a martyr.

    Obviously, at that stage it comes down to the fact that since the last election, Trump hasn't done anything to win over any voters (and has likely lost a good chunk of moderates), and Biden hasn't really done anything egregious to lose any voters (though his age and the fact he's done very little to motivate anyone to campaign or even vote for him will work against him), so as per usual it'll come down to a small amount of people in a small amount of states. Because f*ck logical voting systems that actually reflect the will of the people.



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    #27460
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,426 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There's a timeline where Trump wins yes.



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    #27461
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,554 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311396#Comment_121311396

    I think that, for the reasons that Penn has given, Trump will be the GOP nominee and will therefore have a 50:50 chance based on the US' broken system. Biden has been pretty good for the most part but America's ills are going to need more than "pretty good". Then again, most Americans seem to be happy enough with a dysfunctional electoral system, health insurance profiteering, regular shootings and so on.

    If he couldn't win in 2020, it's hard to see how he does it in 2024 with his rape convictions, his impeachments and everything else.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #27462
    TheIrishGrover
    Registered Users Posts: 6,040 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    The problem with "MAGA might do" is that we already have "MAGA HAVE done".

    They have already killed people

    They have already threatened to kill people

    They have already attempted to overthrow the government

    They have already committed electoral fraud

    They have already threatened rape and assault of even members of the party to which they supposedly belong

    They have already intimidated voters

    They have already committed treason

    So, the know this is what they might do because this is what they have ALREADY done. This is not supposition. All the above are proven, certified, FACTS. Often live on TV (Despite cultists on this thread actually trying to tell us it didn't happen. Remember, some of them think they were getting guided tours. They ACTUALLY tried to convince people here that that's what happened. NEVER forget the midset that thought that)

    So yeah, the problem with "What MAGA might do" is compounded by "What MAGA HAVE done". And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is terrorism. Plain and simple.



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    #27463
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,359 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Trump I think will have to have been found guilty of Jan 6th incitement or seeking to stop Biden's ratification for the 14th Amendment to be enforced.



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    #27464
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,454 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Don Jr. testifying today. Woo.



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    #27465
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,417 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311730#Comment_121311730

    I'd say there will be a huge line outside of court.... And a few people queuing too.



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    #27466
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,359 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311730#Comment_121311730

    Definitely a whiff of trouble.



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    #27467
    francois
    Registered Users Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭francois


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311761#Comment_121311761

    sniff of trouble



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    #27468
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311739#Comment_121311739

    There might be a huge line of something else before court.



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    #27469
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,647 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121309127#Comment_121309127

    The main logistical problem the Secret Service will have with Trump going to prison is how are they going to get a golf cart into the exercise yard.

    Im sure they'll figure it out.



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    #27470
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,359 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Don Jr has gone with the Manuel defence, 'I know nothing!'.



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    #27471
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    His videos are hilarious, all the hands and air quotes, what is he actually on?



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    #27472
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121312698#Comment_121312698

    It's going to get interesting as this goes on.

    Don Jr is basically saying he doesn't really understand all this "business stuff" and relies on other people to tell him what to do.

    Are the entire Trump family going to try to claim that none of them really understand how all this real-estate stuff works and they simply sign contracts where and when they are told by various random people in the office?



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    #27473
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,556 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I was only following Dad’s orders.



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    #27474
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,695 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    So Trump restored himself to position of Trustee on the 15th of January?

    That certainly presents his continuing claim that the election was stolen in a whole new light doesn't it🤨

    The 🤡 really is a gift to prosecutors.

    https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1719803829661688293?t=w0D0EEx3ZABE-Q3a031V_g&s=19




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    #27475
    ghostfacekilla
    Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    If only the great Kennedy genes infiltrated the crazy carcass of RFK Jr.

    https://x.com/TheGoodLiars/status/1670546608159703040?s=20



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    #27476
    looksee
    Registered Users Posts: 28,361 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121313574#Comment_121313574

    I find it much easier to believe that that is a movie.



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    #27477
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,326 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121313574#Comment_121313574

    See, I see this and just think the guy has some mental issues that in any other country might have been addressed with therapy or medicine; but cos Americas healthcare is a disgrace , especially good mental health services, he has just spiralled into whatever destructive fantasy he has made for himself. God knows where his family figure in this but I just feel sad watching the clip; the guy has problems



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    #27478
    looksee
    Registered Users Posts: 28,361 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121313802#Comment_121313802

    In fairness, if he lived in Ireland or the UK or anywhere else I doubt that much would have been done about someone with even that level of fantasy/conspiracy theory -unless he had family that were prepared to fight for him, and even then it would be an uphill battle. I do agree with you about him having problems, but conspiracy theories apart he is probably able to function on a day to day basis, and people can have whatever political (or religious, or paranormal etc) theories they wish without intervention. And unfortunately they also have a vote.



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    #27479
    Jessica-Rabbit
    Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭Jessica-Rabbit


    In a nutshell, if Trump loses this civil trial, he loses his business license in NYC meaning he cannot do business there anymore, so does this mean he will lose most of his fortune, also has he actually lost Trump Tower or is this something he faces losing?



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    #27480
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,291 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121315507#Comment_121315507

    Well he will have to sell trump tower and possibly mar a lardo and doonbeg as I doubt he's got much on the way of liquidity to pay for the fines



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    #27481
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121315507#Comment_121315507

    If he loses he would have to close down all his businesses in NY State - He can't transfer ownership to another shell company somewhere else etc.

    They would all be sold off by a court appointed person and the proceeds would be used to settle his fines - Think they are looking for $250M in penalties.

    So , yes he'd lose Trump Tower and everything else he owns via his businesses in New York State.

    The bigger question is whether of not he'd actually have $250M in cash left after selling everything because most of the properties have loans against them (for more than they are truly worth which is part of the point of the court case) and when they go on the market it'll be a bit of a fire-sale as everyone will know that they have to be sold so they'll low-ball the offer prices.

    For example , if Trump Tower is actually worth $100M on the open market, he might only get offers of ~$80M and then on top of that Trump could owe most of that in loans that would need to be settled so he could sell everything but still be well short of the amount needed to pay the fines.

    If he has to make up some amount of the balance on the $250M then he might have to sell other properties outside NY as well and given the attention even if he tried to borrow against them he won't get as much as he might like because the valuations etc. will be scrutinized to the Nth degree.

    Realistically though , even if he loses Trump will tie everything up in appeals until the end of time. But he'll still lose control of his companies and properties in NY and a court appointed person would run the company (or at least be required to sign off on every single detail) while the appeals are ongoing.



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