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Getting around Galway

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  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    I guess it depends on what is deemed the greater priority, pedestrian lives or driver journey times.

    For me it's a no-brainer

    As for the lack of deaths at that location, the fact its so dangerous would discourage usage by pedestrians.

    There's an analogy that applies "there have been no drownings since we put the safety sharks in the pool".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭tphase




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    @Laviski "That person may likely get what's coming to him just like the guy with camera with red bike."

    That's an extraordinary level of cognitive dissonance to advocate vigilante violence as a response to someone merely pointing out examples of law breaking.

    @Laviski "Enforcement is a job for the gardai, if the public have issue they should raise a complaint to gardai."

    So enforcement is a job for the gardai except for those cases where you deem it's acceptable to physically attack people? Have I understood that correctly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    No you haven't



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Would there be any chance we could just swap cities and get the Freiburgers to sort Galway out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    Thank you for that very informative response. Let me take this step by step.

    Your response to someone documenting dangerously illegal driving was the following:

    That person may likely get what's coming to him just like the guy with camera with red bike.

    You didn't choose a neutral factual description like "get attacked" but instead chose the loaded phrase "get what's coming to him", making it clear that you think the guy on the red bike deserved to get beaten up and that, if the guy recording outrageous breaches of speed limits gets beaten up, that will be deserved too.

    Just to be clear, all this guy is doing is documenting speeding on our roads to highlight the danger other road users are being placed in, he's not confronting anyone, or anything like that. Yet you somehow think what he is doing is so unacceptable that you believe he deserves to be beaten up for it. And then you have the balls to follow that up with the statement:

    Enforcement is a job for the gardai, if the public have issue they should raise a complaint to gardai.

    The hypocrisy is just astounding.

    If I'm incorrect in anything, please point it out. All I've done is taken what you have written at face value.



  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    Just on yer man doing the tweets/videos, once the reporting opens for members of the public to submit footage/images of law breaking on the roads, this one lad will likely do more to improve the safety of the roads and streets of Galway than the whole of the Gardai assigned to the city

    There's another account, no idea if its the same lad, Galway City of Cars. If illegal parking is handled by that portal, that lad will single handedly fix a lot of the illegal parking in the city too

    I think its due to be launched some time next year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    lolz , just wow.....

    someone "merely" pointing out law breaking is doing so without legal authority and is a form of vigilantism as well albeit on the lighter side. Regardless on what people think good or bad, This is the role for gardai and the go safe cameras and not for members of the public. If i recall from a previous post by their own admission they were asked to stop that before when a guard came by.

    Those that attempt these activities can put themselves at risk as the can antagonize the wrong person or even a "good" person on a bad day. Not everyone is happy when they are recorded in public place regardless if law abiding or not. This person obviously has the time and some money where they could put into the proper channels and appropriate forum.

    Bottom line, camera and a twitter handle to state the obvious is like shooting fish in a barrel and additionally put out their own narratives. as said anyone can do that for any form of breaking rules of a road, you just need to be in a the place that it is rife. Not hard to do..... problem here is enforcing existing legislation.

    if you want to engage on my previous post, happy to take a PM.



  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    Reporting portals are in use all over the world for such issues and work quite effectively. The public submits the images/videos, which are reviewed before fines/points etc are handed out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    Fully aware gardai will seek CCTV and dashcam footage where a crime is committed. However they would not advocate and discourage for someone to actively pursue a caped crusade against a specific cohort that does not line up with their agenda. Especially where they are posting on a public platform intentionally for views...



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  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    However they would not advocate and discourage for someone to actively pursue a caped crusade against a specific cohort that does not line up with their agenda.

    Umm, this is already being implemented. The legislation side of it is done, now they are just getting things set up.

    Its a core component of the 2021-2030 Road Safety Strategy




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,561 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    If I remember correctly any breach of the law being reported needs the person reporting to be willing to stand behind the claim.

    I was in fairly frequent contact with various emergency services while I was security and often hesitated calling because I knew I could end up being called for statement sometimes in another county, I think it's hard to be available and it's also hard to follow something up if it's an anonymous report

    Just amateur observation on my part though, everyone's experience would vary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    thats great, but for the footage this person is generating is not the intended audience. They are posting on a public platform intentionally for views...making a case to push along their own agenda and making themselves known.

    More to to the point they standing in a fixed place with a speed gun which they obtained on their own accord - not a scenario where they are walking or cycling (going about their business) with an action camera. Again shooting fish in a barrel phrase i will keep referring back to.



  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    True and to be honest there will be part of that here too.

    How I can see it going will be along the lines of how penalty points are done now where its (for example) 3 points for X offense, but its 5 if you challenge it in court. So you can still have your day in court should you wish but you run the risk of getting a worse result.

    For anyone that does challenge, there would absolutely be a requirement for the submitter of the imagery to be present on the day. Thats fair enough IMHO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    based on the Irish times link provided that would be the case.

    person submitting would need to come to court for the prosecution. I doubt twitter handlers would be arsed if they are not using methods already available. they happy with the retweets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,100 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Is there legal provision for this, or is it just how you think things could or should be?



  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    Details have yet to be released, my thoughts on the makeup of it are just that. We'll know more when it gets closer to the launch.

    That being said I am basing my thoughts on how it's done in other jurisdictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    That's the way it already works right now, and the new legislation is just about process of receiving a statement online rather instead of the current requirement for a signed piece of paper, so the way you describe it is how it should continue to work.

    Right now if you report something you are asked if you are willing to go to court. If you say you aren't then the Gardai will still issue a FCN. If the driver disputes it then either the Gardai drop it or they come back to you and ask you if that's still your position. The few times I've done it I've said I am willing to go to court but I've never actually had to. Each time the driver has accepted the FCN.

    All that should change with the online portal is that you can submit a report at home in a few minutes at your own convenience, instead of having to make an appointment and then spend 30-45 minutes watching a guard write everything out longhand, and knowing that he will have to type it into the Pulse system afterwards. The portal is going to make it much more convenient for people to submit reports, and it's also going to allow the Gardai to process them in a fraction of the time they currently need to spend on them, so I'd say it's going to result in a huge uptick in reports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Those two individuals better be prepared to spend an awful lot of time in court: A person must attend court to prove the digital image.

    As Conor Faughnan says in the same article: You can’t create a culture which says: ‘I uploaded some footage, what are you doing with my case?’ The guards have to be the ones who set their priorities; they can’t chase down every road range incident,” he said. “One person’s passion does not necessarily make the garda’s priority.”

    I read an interesting quote lately that said that police services "only enforce the law when they want to, and against whom they want to".

    I don't think that it's going to make the difference that you think it will. That's if it comes in at all, which I doubt, but if it does, I suspect that it will be a long time away.

    It will also be a boon for lawyers, who will argue on their clients behalf that the footage is doctored.



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  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    An interesting response from the TII on the request to have a controlled pedestrian crossing put into Kilcolgan village




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    @serfboard Those two individuals better be prepared to spend an awful lot of time in courtA person must attend court to prove the digital image.

    The line preceding that in the article is critical to understanding the part you quoted. "A common misconception is that a member of An Garda Síochána can provide an unsolicited, unverified digital image in court as evidence." I don't know that this really is a common misconception. I'd say it's widely understood that if it goes to court it's only going to stand if the complainant is there to give evidence. But we already have a system which encourages those who know they have committed the offence to choose to avoid going to court in exchange for a lower fine and fewer penalty points, so most people who submit footage will never have to go to court.

    @serfboard As Conor Faughnan says in the same article: You can’t create a culture which says: ‘I uploaded some footage, what are you doing with my case?’ The guards have to be the ones who set their priorities; they can’t chase down every road range incident,” he said. “One person’s passion does not necessarily make the garda’s priority.”

    Conor Faughnan is a paid lobbyist for the motor industry so I'd take anything he has to say on this subject with a whole wheelbarrow full of salt. We already have the culture that he says you can't create. If I own a shop and I give the Gardai footage of a known person stealing from it then of course I can call them up and say "what are you doing with my case?". And if I'm the victim of a dangerous overtake while cycling or driving, and I provide footage to the Gardai, then I'm equally entitled to call them up and say "what are you doing with my case?". I have done this myself on more than one occasion. Now of course the Gardai can respond that they're not treating it as a priority, and then you have the option to go higher up the chain of command or to GSOC. It's telling too that Faughnan refers to them as 'road ra(n)ge incidents', trying to position it as two people losing their cool over something petty, when the reality is that most reports currently are by people who feel their safety or life has been put in danger directly, not just that they've happened to record someone up ahead of them going through a red light or some other infraction that didn't impact them personally.

    This thing about doctored video has already been covered elsewhere on boards. These reporting systems have worked in other countries for years, including the UK, and that just hasn't been an issue. Having a lawyer argue it is doctored shouldn't be given any credibility unless they produce a qualified expert witness to testify that it has been doctored. Undoubtedly there will be some cases like that, the same as there are some civil cases where doctors on both sides give widely varying opinions on the injuries suffered by plaintiff, but how likely is it to be a common occurrence? When drivers are presented with a FCN for a €120 fine and three penalty points for dangerous overtaking how many are going to choose to spend a four figure sum engaging a solicitor, a barrister and an expert witness, risking five penalty points and a heftier fine. Most drivers will just say 'lesson learned' and take the FCN. Maybe some drivers will throw money at trying to get themselves acquitted, especially if they already have 9 points and are looking at an automatic ban. But even they will still hopefully have learnt a lesson and will modify their behaviour on the road having come so close to a ban.

    This whole thing may indeed be a long time away, when you consider that Ireland still isn't ready to use traffic light cameras to enforce red light breaking, 50 years after they were first introduced in other countries, but the momentum does seem to be building so I think it's likely we'll see it sooner rather than later.



  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    Junctions in Galway may get cameras to catch drivers who break red lights




  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    There's a famous image of Galway traffic that can be used to perfectly illustrate how bad the car is in terms of road capacity usage

    The image of 200+ cars equates to 4 buses, colour coded for your pleasure.

    In terms of space, look at the artic on the RAB and x4 as a guide




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭sgthighway


    If there were buses on that route people might use them. How many buses go from Oranmore or Athenry to Parkmore or Ballybrit Business Park where the biggest employers are?



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  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    Athenry has a bus service provided by farrells I think, see below for service times. Its a single bus

    Oranmore I don't know



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    busses are no good if there are no bus lanes for them to use and that they have high frequency...... segments of bus lanes is progress but not enough if people want them to abandon their cars.

    people want to get door to door in the fastest most convenient way possible, at present that is by car. size of the car park at oranmore train station should be doubled. Park and ride from G airport with a dedicated bus lane to parkmore and eyre sq. anything else is a waste of time. on the west side of the city the bus lane should be extended to gateway shopping center, a few trees would need to be knocked so objectors will probably stop that from happening.

    Bus service is a joke regardless on the side of city you are on. For example, attempt to take the fam to town on Sunday, did decide on taking the bus but oh wait it just drove by cause it was full. This was more or less at the start of their route. this was two hours before the parade was due to start, nevertheless reversed course got into car and into town with handy enough legal parking. If cityofcars twitter was active these days i'm sure i could photobombed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,100 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Oranmore has none.

    Athenry has one per day in each direction.



  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    Some interesting bits of info here

    • Detection rate for speeding is down 52% on previous year
    • Between January and September, 2,714 drivers were caught driving in excess of the speed limit compared to 5,701 in the same period last year.
    • A surge in the rate detection for driving while using a phone, up by 55% to 503 incidents.
    • Detection of driving without insurance was also down by 18% to 79
    • Fines issued to cyclists fell by 45% to 22
    • The number of parking tickets issued by gardaí was down by 15% to 487
    • Parking fines issued by the City Council wardens were treated separately and more than 3,000 fines were issued by City Hall in September.
    • GCC employs 13 wardens, a fully complement

    The acting Council CEO agreed to address illegal parking by the councils own vehicles on paths



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    largely down to lack of enforcement, RPU is 659 at present where as in 2009 it was 1,046



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭serfboard


    I'd guess that a large chunk of the reduction in speeding detections is due to the change in speed limits on Bothar na dTreabh, and to a lesser extent, the QCB.

    On Bothar na dTreabh, given that there is no physical divider, it actually feels quite unsafe to me doing anything near 80K in the overtaking lane if there's someone in the overtaking lane opposite doing a similar speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    those speed limit were only just recently changed, if i recall in end of August/September. so that would not account for the big drop in these stats as it was from January to September.

    Previous situation was ridiculous, you had people coming up to the curve breaking hard, check for speed van then back as you were. would be happy enough if was just moved 70.

    If you feel unsafe in the overtaking lane then do not use it. Afterall it is what you say... its an overtaking lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭serfboard


    those speed limit were only just recently changed, if i recall in end of August/September. so that would not account for the big drop in these stats as it was from January to September.

    Fair enough.

    Previous situation was ridiculous, you had people coming up to the curve breaking hard, check for speed van then back as you were.

    Agreed.

    If you feel unsafe in the overtaking lane then do not use it.

    Did it once, and haven't used it since.



  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    Concerns raised over traffic controls after the Macnas parade




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭sasal


    There needs to be more buses too. The 401 and 405 were just cancelled. They could have started them from Eyre Sq going east. The 409 and 404 were jammed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,100 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    The whole thing was a shít-show.

    No extra public transport.

    Nothing like enough crowd control anywhere: I was on High St I a very packed crowd and a very drunk group insisted on pushing thru to get up the street, even though we all knew they wouldn't get anywhere. Luckily everyone kept the head and no one fell. But it could easily have got ugly.



  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    At least GCC are consistent in their distain of cyclists, there's that I suppose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,100 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    It's called the Canal WALK.

    Would've thought the name made things obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,287 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Hang on, are we not allowed cycle along Long Walk now?



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    They are there for safety those bars



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,561 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I mean I guess they are there to slow cyclists a bit but the night time visibility seems valid from the tweet. Must go have a look..

    Few near misses on the canal with bicycles - I did not have earphones on - so I can see the point for speed. Traffic calming sort of?.



  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    I suppose I should be grateful its not a kissing gate 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    people have little to complain about it seems.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,561 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    That's the truth! Even as a pedestrian I hate them, unnecessary snag points imho



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    No, it's called Upper Canal Road.

    And legally it's a 'Shared Path'. The 'upgrades' are part of the Eglinton Canal Active Travel Scheme. And this is designated as a Primary Route in the Cycle Network section of Galway Transport Strategy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,023 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    2 steps forward - 1 step back.

    If they use the excuse that they are installed to slow down people cycling who are approaching the ZEBRA crossing on the 30kmph Presentation Road ( City Centre 30km zone ) - where is the evidence that its needed and why it was not needed prior to the surface upgrade.



  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    Local Link services in Connemara may be getting extra stops on the routes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Eamon looking after his voter base of pensioners.

    The NTA has informed [O Cuiv] that Local Link Galway will now examine possible extra stops.

    Deputy Ó Cúiv says while it’s not the perfect solution

    Indeed not Eamon - the "perfect solution" would be to have the bus stop outside everyone's house who needs it. And why not?

    Because, Eamon, you might as well through the timetable out the feckin window if you're going to engage in that crap. Good luck to any of those pensioners trying to make a doctor's appointment if they're going to use the new-look "Stop-Everywhere" local link.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,924 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Who can one complain to regarding the Silverstrand resurfacing works?

    This morning there was a long queue coming in to Galway & no queue from Galway. The traffic management doesn't allow for the traffic flow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,100 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble




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