Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I assume the meaning is that the UN did not condemn it as a formal body / through their deliberative process. That was the basis for the comparison against Israel, not what the UN secretary general at the time said in a speech.

You're embarrassing yourself. You should retract it. Read your own source again.

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/gaza-3195-children-killed-three-weeks-surpasses-annual-number-children-killed-conflict-zones

Not that the data is unverifiable and inaccurate as noted by @odyssey06

Lies.

The %error in 2021 was less than 2% in Gaza.

You keep waffling. Waffling without evidence dismissed with evidence.

No point in empty denials anymore.

In the 3 wars over there, as has been posted in this thread alone plenty of times the number of dead reported by the Gaza health ministry (Hama or whatever you want to call it) are broadly in line with what the UN has reported. Every time. But oh no, this time it's different. Sure we will see in time.

The fact is thousands of children have been killed in the last two weeks (on the Israeli side as well) in Gaza. In the coming weeks thousands more children will die. As I said a while back what will the number have to be to be enough.

I honestly don't think anyone relevant cares what Russia thinks about this conflict.

Well said Overheal. They'll be back with the same claims tomorrow though. Denial.

Not what was said, argument should have been less vague, using a smaller goalpost.

Interview with the son of one of the founders of Hamas, Mosab Hassan Yousef. Well worth watching. He makes claims that are the opposite of what many people in here have been saying. That Hamas with the October 7th attack, opened the gates of hell for the people in Gaza. But the most interesting one that he expects the people of Gaza to celebrate once Hamas is removed. And that the Palestinians will thank Israel for what they did. That gives a lot of hope for the future

"Many civilians are dying. I understand this. Their blood is on the hands of Hamas. And Hamas only" - Mosab Hassan Yousef

Back in Gaza a greiving mother screams it's all because of those Hamas dogs before she's grabbed and physically has a hand put over her mouth

Bahrain ends diplomatic and economic ties with Israel. Sounds like some sanctions might be coming soon.

Another refugee camp school bombed.

Horrific videos of it.

Genocide every day from Israel.

What they're doing will never be forgotten or forgiven.

You hate to see it because it is ultimately avoidable, and it hurts world stability. The US and Israel could have regime changed Hamas at any point in the game, Hamas was the regime change, though.

There's no 5th column in Gaza, no insurgency, no replacement regime we are propping up and backing because ____.

Without a 5th column this is much bloodier and results in the taking of much more lives. We cannot say if that was the point.

It's obvious you can't defend your claim when you have to throw out cheap insults like lies and waffle instead of actually defending your argument.

That's the figures from one conflict. How you think this proves your argument is anybody's guess.

Where are the figures from the other conflicts?

It is obvious you haven't read the UN report, or know anything about the figures from the other conflicts.

I asked you where does the UN report support the claims you have made for it?

You were unable to defend your claim with reference to the actual evidence. That's the actual evidence. Not the headline in a media statement.

The evidence does not support the claims you have made for it.

Multiple posters now have pulled you up on the false claims made on the basis of a misleading media statement.

So actually, this is not a case of "said without evidence, dismissed without evidence".

This is a case of, they evidence has been looked at - and not by you - and it does not say what you say it does.

To accuse me of lies on that basis is completely without merit or foundation.

When you don't like the answers you are getting, you denigrate those giving you the answers.

Quite a number of times, in response to these questions, I have linked to the actual extracts of international law. They are actually quite easy to understand. I have stopped linking to them because the same posters are asking the same questions while ignoring the evidence.

To recap on where we are right now. There is no doubt that Hamas has 100% committed war crimes and is continuing to do so, in areas such as keeping civilian hostages, using civilians and civilian facilities as human shields. Their own utterances have confirmed these crimes.

It is also true, that, by and large, Israel has stayed within the confines of international law. There are some questions over their most recent actions, but even the Norweigan government will only go so far as saying that Israel MAY have broken international law. Unlike Hamas, there is no unequivocal evidence that Israel have committed war crimes.

Those commenting on the conflict should always bear in mind those parameters in considering where the balance of good and evil is situated. All of which brings us back to the most important imperative to end the conflict - Hamas should release the hostages and offer up those responsible for the planning and execution of 7/10 to the ICC.

It is as simple as that.