Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Not what was said, argument should have been less vague, using a smaller goalpost.

Interview with the son of one of the founders of Hamas, Mosab Hassan Yousef. Well worth watching. He makes claims that are the opposite of what many people in here have been saying. That Hamas with the October 7th attack, opened the gates of hell for the people in Gaza. But the most interesting one that he expects the people of Gaza to celebrate once Hamas is removed. And that the Palestinians will thank Israel for what they did. That gives a lot of hope for the future

"Many civilians are dying. I understand this. Their blood is on the hands of Hamas. And Hamas only" - Mosab Hassan Yousef

Back in Gaza a greiving mother screams it's all because of those Hamas dogs before she's grabbed and physically has a hand put over her mouth

Bahrain ends diplomatic and economic ties with Israel. Sounds like some sanctions might be coming soon.

Another refugee camp school bombed.

Horrific videos of it.

Genocide every day from Israel.

What they're doing will never be forgotten or forgiven.

You hate to see it because it is ultimately avoidable, and it hurts world stability. The US and Israel could have regime changed Hamas at any point in the game, Hamas was the regime change, though.

There's no 5th column in Gaza, no insurgency, no replacement regime we are propping up and backing because ____.

Without a 5th column this is much bloodier and results in the taking of much more lives. We cannot say if that was the point.

It's obvious you can't defend your claim when you have to throw out cheap insults like lies and waffle instead of actually defending your argument.

That's the figures from one conflict. How you think this proves your argument is anybody's guess.

Where are the figures from the other conflicts?

It is obvious you haven't read the UN report, or know anything about the figures from the other conflicts.

I asked you where does the UN report support the claims you have made for it?

You were unable to defend your claim with reference to the actual evidence. That's the actual evidence. Not the headline in a media statement.

The evidence does not support the claims you have made for it.

Multiple posters now have pulled you up on the false claims made on the basis of a misleading media statement.

So actually, this is not a case of "said without evidence, dismissed without evidence".

This is a case of, they evidence has been looked at - and not by you - and it does not say what you say it does.

To accuse me of lies on that basis is completely without merit or foundation.

When you don't like the answers you are getting, you denigrate those giving you the answers.

Quite a number of times, in response to these questions, I have linked to the actual extracts of international law. They are actually quite easy to understand. I have stopped linking to them because the same posters are asking the same questions while ignoring the evidence.

To recap on where we are right now. There is no doubt that Hamas has 100% committed war crimes and is continuing to do so, in areas such as keeping civilian hostages, using civilians and civilian facilities as human shields. Their own utterances have confirmed these crimes.

It is also true, that, by and large, Israel has stayed within the confines of international law. There are some questions over their most recent actions, but even the Norweigan government will only go so far as saying that Israel MAY have broken international law. Unlike Hamas, there is no unequivocal evidence that Israel have committed war crimes.

Those commenting on the conflict should always bear in mind those parameters in considering where the balance of good and evil is situated. All of which brings us back to the most important imperative to end the conflict - Hamas should release the hostages and offer up those responsible for the planning and execution of 7/10 to the ICC.

It is as simple as that.

You were to provide them? You made claims about them not being reliable. The claims I shared were made based on that data. The onus is on you to dismantle it so.

One of these may be in error and it's probably the Tanaiste, statement shared by someone else previously, omitting per annum and implying total. Still absolutely horrendous figures that are not demonstrative of proportion, meaning that in 3 weeks they've killed all the children in war normally killed in currently typical year -- globally. The defense of the IDF being, ah yeas they have maybe killed 3600 kids but it's "legit" "proportional" 'trust us bro'

... I'll leave you with this here.

I don't care about Bandwagon Fallacy either.

I didn't accuse you of lies, or call you a liar etc.; absolutely nothing personal, I'm aware we align on so many other topics. However, I objectively demonstrated the falsehoods claimed ie. lie(s).

It's ones persons opinion which has been shared multiple times on here .

Maybe they do sanctions for countries not condemning Israel as well, Ireland made a good choice on the foreign policy front. Hey, maybe Ireland could become a middleman and make a fortune buying all these commodities and sell them on like India does with the oil to Europe.

No just looks like carnage. Where do you make out tunnels and bunkers? JDAMs etc make craters, as was widely pointed out in the analysis of the hospital car park strike the other week.