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Wifi mesh systems

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    But that's not what was said... Nor was it implied:

    Dont get these consumer meshes. Get a proper Ubiquiti access points



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    I agree that for some it is too complicated and too expensive. But if you shop around, i reckon you could get two Ubiquiti access points for 200-250 which is enough for many houses. The most important thing is wired backhaul, whether it is Google Nest or Ubiquti. That if what people should be encouraged to do, when their houses are suitable. I know loads of people in new builds using mesh networks despite owning a prewired house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,042 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    I have a relatively new build which was prewired for ethernet into every room. Have a TP Link Deco mesh network with ethernet backhaul, it's probably overkill though for the size of my house but works great


    Edit: This is connecting to node furthest from the main node which is connected to the ont, maybe 30m and a few walls


    Post edited by youcancallmeal on


  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭gabbo is coming


    Hi, just got VMs sagemcom modem for 1Gb

    Getting 700mb on the VM modem


    When I check my tplink s4s, I'm getting less than previous, getting about 170. But full 50 upload


    I've changed the QOS setting on the deco, anything else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,824 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    This is the key but many still don't see it. It is well worth anyone's while trying to run some Cat5e in the house between where the ISP comes into the house and the AP locations or indeed directly to any devices with ethernet. Whether it has to be tacked to skirting, in trunking, under carpet etx if you can get the white cabling it can be very well hidden out of eyeline etc. Some of the kit being discussed here is big money but without decent quality back backbone it will be limited.

    I have a Ubiquiti Dream machine and a basic Ubiquiti accesspoint up stairs. Both were second hand, sold by someone no doubt who wasnt able to set it up. I only have a small bit of ethernet backhaul yet but very good coverage throughput the house. I was able to move the ingress point for broadband into the house from one corner of the house into a more central location when going from copper to fibre which has helped in a major way with coverage.

    I've also ran some ethernet from there to one of the rooms with the heavy usage machines are which has been a significant improvement.

    Seeing some people consider moving on equipment after less than three years use is worrying. It should make one consider investing in some ethernet cable and less flashy gizmos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    I have a Nest mesh setup with three points, about 50 home automation devices and achieve close to 500mb down and 59mb up throughout the house... I have no **** wires running across walls, haven't had to lift my skirting boards or floorboards.

    Please explain why a backend system would benefit me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,327 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,824 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Its not a backend "system" - its just running copper between some of your AP and main router/ONT/ISP device.

    Not saying it would benefit you per se - but there are many who have posted on this thread that would benefit greatly from some CAT5e between AP's and router/ONT/ISP device.

    There's not that much to running cable and based, again on some of the posts on this thread, it would save people a lot of time and money over time, depending on their circumstances.

    As I said, I've a 10 - 20 odd metres ran along skirting board that you'd barely notice with cheap second hand equipment that works perfectly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,327 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    looks like its working well so, how do you get 59mb up? is it not normally 500/50? in any event doesnt seem like you need it but i think you are over exaggerating how complex or difficult it is.

    Regardless for me my whole house is cat 6 wired so a mesh system would be stupid in my scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,824 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    It's really not as difficult as you are suggesting here in a lot of cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭The Ayatolla


    I've got ethernet cables run pretty much all over the house - have a switch in the attic which goes back to the main router in the living room and then have 5 or 6 cables from the switch going to various rooms.

    I use TP-Link Deco M5s which supposedly have wireless backhaul. I get close to my 500mb speeds even over Wifi if using the right device (Wifi 6 etc).

    For any domestic setup with 30+ smart devices / bulbs etc I feel it's more than adequate - what am I missing? :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Hi all looking for some help.


    I am a Digiweb customer with their Fritzbox. With all the sales at the moment want to maybe pickup a mesh setup.

    There is only two bedrooms upstairs struggling with WiFi a bit. Currently requiring the house so datapoints going in most places.

    Can anyone recommend a good mesh system compatible / easy to use with Fritz? It’s a three bedroom house(built in the 50s)

    Also do I need to use the mesh stuff as my router or can I keep the fritz?


    I have a NAS and Rpi plugged into the fritz. Want to keep them both and don’t want to lose the functionality they are giving me. NAS for accessing media on devices in TVs and Rpi running pile (that I actually don’t mind losing since it’s no real use imo)


    I should maybe also note, I'm saying Mesh here and know what that is. But because I have datapoints being installed all over the place, should I maybe look at something else like access points instead?

    Post edited by TheDoc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,327 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    if you get a mesh set up get it with Ethernet backhaul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    I am looking at the Unify stuff at the moment toying with the idea of maybe putting that into the house.

    I suppose the simplest solution is to just grab two access points and set them into the house on the existing network. But there is a nice idea of setting something up in the attic with a bit of scalability.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,327 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    It’s pretty addictive but it’s great kit imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,327 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus



    that’s my SWITCH and UDM pro humming away



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    @TheDoc

    The UDMP SE would be a good start, that has POE for your APs and the hard drive bay for cameras if you want them later, build on from there.

    I have my Unifi system in for 2 years now and its never let me down.

    It certaintly is...


    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,327 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    😁 nice , mine below , 10 as well





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭djdunny


    Folks. Please forgive my lack of sense when I ask this question. I currently have SIRO (Vodafone) - I have a Deco S7 AC1900 system (3 nodes) - I have recently set up a home office in the garden and the electrician has run shielded CAT 6. (all confirmed working when we tested the cables)


    Is it possible to use one of the Deco nodes in the outdoor office if I connect an ethernet cable into it? (Ethernet is coming from one of the ports on the Vodafone router)

    Or will the Deco node only operate as a if it receives a signal from one of the other nodes?

    Or do I just go and buy another router?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,042 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    You should be running your ethernet wire from your main deco node(The one connected to the Vodafone router) directly to the Deco node in the home office. It might work the way you've suggested but it may show up as 2 separate networks and I'm not even sure the Deco mobile app can support what you're suggesting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭djdunny




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,871 ✭✭✭Alkers


    you can frequently pick up fritzboxes on adverts for pretty cheap as people have them , get two or three of them to act as mesh repeaters.

    Can boost the WiFi or can be connected via ethernet.

    Got to be the most simple method for you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭The Ayatolla


    Moving to Pure Telecom this week and expecting delivery of a Fritzbox - good idea on the mesh repeaters!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,871 ✭✭✭Alkers


    I have two 7430 - one from pure and another was 20e on adverts. Have a other box (I think 4400) and one of their mesh repeater for pretty good WiFi throughout the house. Two 7430s are connected via LAN, others just WiFi repeaters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,846 ✭✭✭creedp


    Apologies in advance for asking such noob questions but this stuff seems to just melt my head.

    I have VF broadband with their router in the attic feeding cat 5 cables around house. Over time I have added a number of TP link APs and extenders around house but tbh I find the wifi speed from the APs quite poor, often getting only 30mbps.

    I have a fritzbox 7530 sitting idle from a previous provider and am wondering if possible to use it as an AP instead of one of the TP Links and would this yield better wifi speed?



  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭macchoille


    I’ve never used a fritzbox so can’t comment on them but ……

    Few things, are the AP’s 5Ghz capable and/or are you using it the band ? Realistically the older 2.4Ghz band only has 3 decent sized bands speed wise. If you live in a built up area or are running several AP’s then it will really hurt your bandwidth if you’re not using 5Ghz.

    The other problem with using normal AP’s is your phone/laptop when moving around the house may not automatically connect to a new physically closer AP as it still has a connection (even though it’s weak and slow)

    Managed systems like mesh or unifi monitor the connected devices (phone, laptops etc) and once it’s signal is weak the system will disconnect it thereby forcing it to connect to a closer node (AP).

    I’m running an ASUS XT8 mesh system with 3 nodes (AP’s) for about 4 years now. Have at least 450mb nearly every room in the house ( concrete floors upstairs, some walls are about a foot thick downstairs).

    i



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,327 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Sounds more like a set up issue than anything else.

    how many do you have and have you split the 2.4 and 5 ghz bands ? Are they all hardwired ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,846 ✭✭✭creedp


    Yea they are all 5Ghz compatible but from what I can see it doesnt make a massive difference to speed.

    If looking to improve the setup I would consider going with a mesh system so long as I could utilise the existing 5 APs in the house. Hate throwing stuff away! However know nothing about mesh systems so would have to consider how well they could operate in a comcrete everywhere house where router is in attic.

    One thing I have noticed with current 500mb service is that the download and upload speed is pretty close, between 20 to 50mb. In the past the download was always significantly faster than upload. Is this normal?



  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭macchoille


    Where 5Ghz helps is with reducing channel congestion. More channels available mean less chance of your neighbours being on the same channels etc.

    Something I forgot to mention some mesh systems (including mine) have Ethernet backhaul; meaning you can use your Cat5e cables for the mesh instead of WiFi.

    I hate throwing stuff away too , I used to have 4 APs and the Vodafone router, swapped them all for 3 mesh boxes, way better than before.

    Same as yourself concrete everywhere in our house including a few steel beams; not very WiFi friendly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,846 ✭✭✭creedp


    It's obvious I need to do some research on mesh systems but if you wouldn't mind advising on how Internet backhaul operates. Does it mean that the mesh nodes simply replace existing APs at cat 5 wall units? Is rhe main unit still located in attic beside router?

    I wont embarass myself any further with noob questions and will do a bit of research when I get a chance over next couple of weeks. Thanks for advice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,327 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    mesh is really only where you have no Ethernet and are using WiFi to connect the access points.

    if all of your access points are connected via Ethernet then it’s just a normal wireless deployment but it’s more robust than mesh.

    first thing would be to get more familiar with the equipment you already have. Do you want to post here what you have and what’s currently hard wired .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,846 ✭✭✭creedp


    OK that makes sense, the fog is lifting a little😊

    Presently have the VF router in attic with cat 5e cables from most rooms terminating beside it. A couple of bedrooms have decent wifi speed directly from the VF router and I have a TP-Link mesh wifi range extender to boost signal to a 3rd bedroom. Had to inatall a TP-Link AP (RE200) in the last bedroom because the extender didnt provide a decent signal.

    Downstairs is even more of a mish mash as I have 2 RE200 APs and a 1 Gigabit Powerline Starter Kit for a PS5 as the Ethernet cable to that room was canabilised to provide a connection for the gate intercom and alarm and the kids were going beserk that the wifi signal from the AP in the hallway was useless for gaming. In fairness the powerline does a pretty good job as I dont hear the screams of agony anymore when the ps5 stutters and freezes😂

    Even with all that I still have a wifi blackspot in the living room and am considering activating the cat5 cable running to an adjacent room and installing another RE200 AP.

    And that is the full and uncut version of the messy set up currently in my house which evolved in a rather chaotic way over a number of years as kids got more and more appliances



  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭macchoille


    Yes essentially they are replacing the access points but the difference is they are managed system, they force your devices to move to a better point as you move around the house, the nodes (mesh Access points) will interfere with each other less than just normal access points as there’s usually a manager point in control of the rest.

    The one thing if you go with a mesh or managed system is to try and strategically place your nodes/access points. My house was a nightmare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭Redkite200


    Hi all,


    Another one seeking advice...

    Current set up... Eir Fibre (up to 500Mb package)

    Router is connected in office (concrete walls).

    TP link: https://shorturl.at/nGPV4 Wifi Extender in use. Plugged in and connected via Ethernet to the Eir router directly.


    In the living room which is directly opposite (hallway between office and living room) we have the other TP link extender modem plugged in with an ethernet connection going into the back of the tv and another ethernet cable providing a wired connection the PS5.


    Since the recent storms when we had an overnight power cut, the wifi speeds have dropped. We use a chromecast to stream on the TV and whereas before everything was instant, now we're getting loading wheels and tv streaming delays and I notice on my android smartphone that if I am on twitter(x) that the post images/videos don't display right away so definitely feels like something has gone amiss / changed.

    I tried resetting the Eir router, switching off, resetting and same with the TP Link but it hasn't restored it to what it was.

    It's really frustrating when it was working perfectly before with hardly any issues.


    I had read up on mesh wi-fi systems before. the TP Link is a few years old now so maybe it would be a much better and more up to date solution?

    Should I look for one with an ethernet connection like my current set up? Or should a decent mesh system eradicate the need for ethernet because it should provide a much better / more reliable wifi signal.

    Appreciate any advice and suggestions on which would be the best option to go for.


    (Budget would be under €200)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭FastFullBack


    Planning a new build and planning 3 Unifi AP's. Initially I was thinking to just not run a gateway, then boards told me acout Unifi Express which looked good and a decent price point. So that was the plan.

    Some research showed some limitation, so I planned for Unifi Dream Router.

    Some more research showed I might want to upgrade to a Unifi Dream Machine Pro in a few years to allow for more CCTV and built in NVR. So I got thinking maybe I just bit the bullet and start with that.

    Now I'l looking at the UDM SE and because it has POE built in, it is now looking a better option compared to UDM Pro.

    So I've gone from no gateway to top of the range €520 gateway, so YES definitely addictive even when you dont yet have any gear. I still have a couple of months to finalize my plans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,327 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    I have a udm pro and a 16 port POE unifi switch i think, im looking at the Unifi patch panels and filler plates now because why not

    Just looking i have 5 Aps, a door bell, doorbell chime, the poe switch, 3 flex switches, 4 cameras and the UDM pro



  • Registered Users Posts: 896 ✭✭✭Delboy5


    I have Vodafone 500mb FTTH, i took out the Gigabox and replaced it with a TP Link Archer C7.

    If was looking at improving the Wi-Fi signal throughout the house, if i bought a Google Nest Wi-Fi Pro unit can i just plug it directly into a free LAN port on the Archer and then turn off Wi-Fi on the Archer? Will this work or is there something I'm missing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭The Ayatolla




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    If you are just looking to improve the Wifi, there is no need to get rid of the Gigabox...just disable the wifi and just plug the access point into the gigabox ethernet port. Im into the whole unifi range, but you could get something like this Access Point U7 Pro - Ubiquiti Store Europe this will be a monster AP that does Wifi 7 etc

    My question is do you really need wifi 6e or Wifi 7...yes amazing speeds you can get with them, but do you really need 1.5Gb/s on your phone when you are on ticktok. You have a a 500mb connection so Wifi 5 will max this out anyway.

    My suggestion is get one of these UniFi Express - Ubiquiti Store Europe to act as gateway router and also has wifi, then maybe a Switch Flex Mini - Ubiquiti Store Europe to add in a few more ethernet ports then a Access Point U6 Plus - Ubiquiti Store Europe to extended your wifi to the other end of the house about €280 bucks boom done. The Unifi express will manage the acess points and this will be scaleable into the future.

    That archer C7 is years old as far as I am aware and while its good things move on.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    I've asked before, but wondering if any progress has been made at this stage...

    I can't get Wi-Fi outside of the walls of the house. The insulation is too good! without drilling a hole and pulling a wire to the exterior, is there anything that can get a signal through the walls... *Note, my Arlo cameras work outside as Hue bulbs within a (very) limited range.

    I have a solar battery in the shed (its less than 2m away from the router) that I can't connect to & wanting to set up a sprinkler system that works off Wi-Fi...

    In the house, I have Google Mesh (Gen 2), three points in a small house... so I'm over compensating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭54and56


    Looking for a steer on the most pragmatic solution to extend WiFi within an apartment. The router is located in the main living room and throws out up to 300mb speed over 2.4GHz and 5GHz sufficient for use in the main living area but I've an office in a spare bedroom which gets zero 5GHz and the 2.4GHz is degraded to a max speed of 30mb.

    Is there a single unit solution that would plug into the router and deliver at least 100mb to the office or do I need a 2 unit solution, one connected to the router and one closer to the office in order to improve the speed I get in the office?

    Cheers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Declan1


    Have been using a DECO P9 system for the last 4 years but unfortunately two of the units have begun making high pitch squealing noises so I need to replace the system. Went searching on Amazon and am overwhelmed at the options out there - am I best of sticking with more P9s from DECO or is there a better option now? Google mesh worth a look? House is newish build with thick insulated walls, 2500 square feet. Thanks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭dermiestv


    Just got Eir Fibre with the F3000 box.

    I’d like to extend wifi with a mesh but rather than spend money dedicated nodes. I was thinking of buying a backup wifi 6 router which could then be used with another ISP when the Eir contract ends.

    Is the following a workable plan? 4 bed house.

    Buy a wifi 6 router such as the Huawei AX3 and set it up as a mesh access point node to the F3000?

    Is there another router anyone would recommend to do this?

    Many thanks

    Post edited by dermiestv on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Dont know if that Huawei can act as an access point, but if you want to in the future be able to swap ISPs and use your own equipment then maybe look at Unifi (I am a Unifi fanboy so appolgies!!) How about this its a router with a Wifi 6 radio and can replace your F3000.

    https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/pro/category/all-unifi-cloud-gateways/products/ux

    You will have to get a small switch to expand out the ethernet ports but you can get one of these for €30 https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/pro/category/all-switching/products/usw-flex-mini

    You can then add in another one of their access points (hard wired better, but can be Meshed) to extend your coverage to all areas https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/pro/category/all-wifi/products/uk-ultra

    You would have a solid intergrated Wifi and home network and you can expanded later if needs be.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,042 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    I'm getting Virgin fiber installed next week. In the past when I had Virgin broadband which came in via coaxial cable(Sorry don't know technical name) to the Virgin provided wifi modem I just put the modem in bridge mode and connected my primary tplink deco node via Ethernet cable. At the moment I have Sky Fiber and I connect directly from the primary tplink deco node to the ONT, the Sky modem has been sitting in box since I got it. Does anyone know can I do this with Virgin fiber or do I have to go back to using the Virgin modem in bridge mode?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,042 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    Well the answer was I have to use the Virgin router in modem mode but now I'm getting frequent dropouts on my mesh network. It's very annoying after having a year on Sky fiber with no issues at all



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 matterd


    I am new to mesh systems and setting up broadband and looking for some advice please? Apologies in advance for the incorrect terminology.

    I am getting sky fiber broadband (fttp?) installed next week. I think they are installing a connection from the outside through the wall, an Optical Network Terminal (ONT)? Is this what is referred to as a modem and the sky hub they sent is a router?

    Anyway, I picked up some eero 6 plus wifi mesh devices. The eero documentation references connecting to sky using PPPoE but does not give much information about it. After some searching, it seems this method allows you to remove the sky router and connect the eero directly to the ONT. If so, is this a recommended option? How you actually do it is probably a question for another day ☺️, although my vague high-level understanding is:

    1. Connect the ONT to the sky router.
    2. Connect an ethernet cable from the sky router to the eero
    3. Set up the eero.
    4. Edit the PPPoE setting in eero (I see some references to needing a sky username and password that are different to the sky router username and password)
    5. Connect the ONT to the eero.
    6. Restart the eero and hope for the best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭MickH503


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120377658/#Comment_120377658



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