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Dairy Calves 2024

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Maybe a protest at the Horse and Jockey the week after it's announced?

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users Posts: 695 ✭✭✭3 the square


    Any one see Hereford and Angus calves selling recently what we're the prices like ??



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Sold Hereford calves few weeks ago 220 kg bulls 470 200 kg heifers 445 ….ch bulls 230 kg 595 ch heifers 220 kg 585 ..all out of hol fr cows



  • Registered Users Posts: 695 ✭✭✭3 the square


    Good stuff, I was wondering about suck calves 2 or 3 weeks old were making



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Is there anything to be said for another mass?

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,599 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Getting 150 out of yard at 10 days, whiteheads and Angus. Plenty of buyers. Could ask more but want them to come back for more



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    AO'C spoke well on PT last night

    Good to see that the IFA have at least 1 person that can put a few sensible sentences together & express them accordingly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Agree spoke well albeit maby bit nervous ….she’s a big addition to the organisation knows her stuff well able to debate



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭alps


    Finally RTE have left her on. Wouldn't let her on with Hollie Cairns the night of the calf programme.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    From of the FJ reads like the steering group have been coming to this thread for ideas. There is no dates attached to it but the first and easy move that will be made is 21 days before movement for spring 24. And a timeline will give the appearance of action on the this front.

    The big shocker has been the use of sexed only semen for jersey and kiwi straw. Is this in a round about way remove these types of bull from the testing programmes for ai companies,ebi figures etc. Less of these high figured bull calves will shuffle them out of the breeding systems

    The biggest omission has been the lack of recognition from this group to the collapse of the beef sub index of the cow. All the back slapping with the coops , ICBF, teagasc,IFJ , IGA et al, is now 2 foot away from the current kick in the backside that the industry has to take over the calf issue



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I’m looking at the impact of beef animals from FRx and JEx cows every day in the shed at the moment. I bought them as BB and SIM calves in Spring 2022. They’ll be the last to leave the yard and will leave the smallest margin.

    Its a cod from Teagasc and IFJ to ignore the cow and say the bull’s DBI or CBV or whatever will make all the difference.

    To paraphrase George Bush, Cod me once shame on you … you won’t cod me a second time.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I bought 392kgs frx 22nd June avg 731...they killed to 1,111e per head up to two weeks ago.... never doubt the friesan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What kind of FS had they. Mostly "P's"?, 270 kgs average? Nice margin on them.

    I bought some of them June '22 they were about 400 kgs part of a bunch of 6-7 cattle. November 20 born. Slaughtered them last May nearly 345DW, I think they average 1740 ish euro

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭kk.man


    265kgs...Good man...

    Shite fat scores and grades



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭kk.man


    The weather played havoc because the were flesher a week before I killed them but they never saw a shed with me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Friesians struggle in rainy weather and especially if it's cold as well. You might have been better off housing them 3-4 weeks ago. Were you feeding them ration

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Yes they got meal..u r right about housing them but I knew I was making money so I didn't



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,334 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    You need a frame to carry weight. Anything killing less than 300kgs is costing someone money. AAx or Frx that are killing out any less than that no good to a beef farmer as the they are also killing out "P" or poor "O" I ve had them. Will try and avoid in the future no matter how tempting the price looks. It's very disappointing seen your payment price at 56 cent less than a similar weight R- grad BB/Je x bullock.

    @kk.man whoever you bought them cattle off lost on them. Especially if they were near 24 months when you bought them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭kk.man


    No they were 21 months dead. Yes they lost it was a bad mart day but I filled the trailer. I bought 21 that day a suckler farmer would struggle to make that on 21 cows.

    I don't mean to be cocky or to have the up on someone else but it's all about the margin... I was in kilkenny today and ch bullocks making mad money there was no margin in them. I actually don't care what my road side field looks like with grass rats as they call them.

    I killed cattle in June r minus types which at best broke even. Remember factories pulled from mid May.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭kk.man


    4700 on 21 cattle for small money in 4 months (no shed or black plastic) is not disappointing no matter how you access it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Friesians shrink outside in this weather, TBH all cattle struggle if you had housed and fed the same meal they would have powered along. You are actually better off feeding cattle like that from the start of August and hanging end of September

    The Friesians I had were only mealed for four weeks.

    It may be costing someone but all you can worry about is your margin. See lads going to the wrong mart, not dehorning or castarating, cattle not having thrived.

    It's all about the price you buy those BBXJE will struggle to gain weight. Seeing it more and more with cattle even on high energy diets they struggle to gain more than 8-900 grams a day and on grass it's 5-600/ day even on the best of grass. Those BBXJE wound struggle to hand 250 kgs at the same age as @kkman's FRx. So about 130 euro more in the cheque.

    Had an AA Bullock this year bought him@300 kgs last November, he only hung 230 kgs in September and was on ration 4-5 weeks. He only made 1111 as well if I remember right. He cost 500 euro.

    Kkman what was you net margin out of them 180-200/ head or slightly less

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭kk.man


    224e

    I had no room in the sheds I was banking on a mild autumn. The last field they were is very dry and sheltered.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,334 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    @Bass Reeves & @kk.man you are both correct in that all that really matters at the end of the day is that your enterprise makes a margin. I have no preference for any type of cattle, I have all kinds of everything. (My sucklers are mostly Lmx) but I would buy anything in the Mart that I can see a profit in. Picked up 5 April 22 AAx bullock last Monday avg 405kgs @ €712 each, there is 2 KYA bred lads on it but happy enough. But again the lads selling them are loosing money, so I can't see them staying at that. I believe margins are so tight in the beef there is only profit for 1 farmer. So the middle lad rearing the calf to store is going to leave or start feeding to finish & when you are at that it cost the same to feed a decent O+ animal that will kill 300kgs+ as it cost to feed a P grade one killing sub 280kgs. But there could be over €200 difference in your return.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I don't buy the argument these lads wont stay at the game. Firstly for as long as I've been farming there has been lads losing their shirts and keep at it. The meat processors could be/or are saying the same about the beef finisher, yet year after year they keep getting cattle. Its true some lads who have a clue will get out. I saw a mountain of second movement diary stock in Kilkenny yesterday and I doubt if a bob was made on any of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,203 ✭✭✭Good loser


    They had been bought as calves/weanlings? Or they were reared on home farm?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭kk.man


    The were 2nd movement cattle in the most. I'd like to think it was calf rearers who needed a few quid to keep the thing going till the got properly set up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I see where the EU is bringing in a 5 weeks minimum age limit for calf transport will this be the minimum sake age as well. Minimum weight 50kgs


    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    It's only a proposal and hopefully doesn't get passed.

    I can't understand your obsession with trying to impede exports from Ireland. IMO live exports/on the hoof is better for farmers than those same livestock being retained on our little island.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,599 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    All the more reason to use sexed semen



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The proposal are from the Commission not the Parliament. The final agreement will be somewhere along these lines. Billy Kelliher intends to table amendments, however by the tenor of his statement, I suspect the chance of these substantially changing the regulations are slim. There could be more restriction amendments as well. This will not stop calf export as sea journeys are exempt in the present regulations

    By the way I am not trying to impede exports but I do deal with reality. Whether we like it or not there will be substantial change to calf welfare regulations.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



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