Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Tell that to the governments of Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland and even Sweden who just yesterday agreed to co-operate on returrning immigrants without legal residence to their countries of origin.

The Danes took a stronger stance on immigration as they saw the effects of mass immigration on Sweden and decided not to make those same mistakes while Sweden wanted to become a "moral superpower" and derided anyone that had concerns about mass immigration in such a short period of time. But now the worm has turned.

"However, the Danish model has become more popular as anti-immigration voices have gained traction across the Nordic region.

The Swedish government is looking towards Danish immigration policies as the country battles gang violence caused by "an irresponsible immigration policy and a failed integration," Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson said last month.

"The Swedish government is truly looking at how the Danish government has worked with both fighting organised crime but also on migration issues," Sweden's Minister of Migration, Maria Malmer Stenergard said at the press conference."

Sweden, Denmark for slow learners.

From citizens information site…

”person granted refugee status can apply for citizenship through naturalisation once they have 3 years of residency. Residency is calculated from the date of arrival in the State. Note: This does not apply to people who have subsidiary protection status”…

“subsidiary protection should serve as an additional form of international protection that is complementary to refugee status.”

all that is very telling…

my guess is that over 70% of people that arrived here because of this war or any conflict to receive international protection will in fact want to remain here indefinitely…. Also it stands to reason that tens of thousands of their friends and family members involved directly someway in conflict be it military, medical, logistics personnel will want to arrive here too, make a new home, be with their families and get out of dodge so to speak. All post war, whenever that will be.

so a change in numbers might be pretty negligible, in fact post war there could actually be a status quo in numbers or even a small net increase and the government of the day will struggle to say no… it will be a gift of an amnesty and citizenship for those wishing to stay and relatives still abroad fighting or assisting will be accepted too, there would be no temporary protection as they won’t need protection from anything so they would have to be classed as refugees coming from outside the EU…. I’m very serious when I’d say I’d put a grand of my own money on it playing out like that or a similar version….

Varadkar & Martin and the rest of the political cohort know exactly what’s in the pipeline and for months and months, their interactions with media and citizens has been increasingly and deliberately difficult, stuttering, vague, soft and contradictory….appalling behaviour, from individuals in their positions and with their responsibilities... Granted they’ll be under pressure from EU overlords and masters and others internationally but they have to put the wellbeing of Ireland and Irish citizens first and that’s all that there is to it… that is their responsibility, that is what they were voted in for….. not a single Irish citizen went to a voting booth….” Jeez I’ll vote for them, they really have their finger on the pulse of International problems and war, famine or global tragedy in X “….

Fantastic radio report this morning on the Pat Kenny show - Not the first time Pat and Barry Whyte did a report on this shambles. I think that's where the stats quoted above came from

Incredibly enough, our PS broadcaster, RTE, don't seem to have the wherewithal to produce such a report (which may or may not have something to do with the millions they get from the public directly and through Govt bailouts) - So Newstalk seem to have taken up the mantle of a real PSB

Radio report is embedded in the report

As I said before, Govt have lost control of our borders and this ^ shows by how much

I heard that report on Newstalk this morning, unbelieveable and made me so angry! We are being taken for a ride and our government have let us down so badly. Future generations will wonder "what the f**k were they thinking?"

Seems things are getting worse with this govevements immigration policy. Any resemblance of a cohesive plan has well and truly evaporated..

This Goverment and their NGO backers need to be removed. The next government will be half baked and I doubt it will last a term.

What happens after that is the big question.

We should be also forever grateful for all the irregular migrants that have come to enrich the Irish natives .

https://gript.ie/a-village-of-100-cannot-handle-950-refugees-say-annamoe-residents/

https://gript.ie/77-claiming-asylum-in-2023-just-turned-up-at-the-ipo-office-so-much-for-checks-at-the-airport/

 "EG we have a Black History month, yet our Polish population is significantly larger and they don't get a damp Tuesday in November."

Classic!

This may help a bit lads.

One Native American tribe would tie up captives cut off their genitals and throw the victim still alive into a fire and they had done this to other Native American tribes before Europeans arrived. This was centuries ago, today Islamic terrorists film themselves decapitating babies and post these films to recruit members. Which is more concerning today?

Changes are coming. Are either side ready?

Is that the magic money tree dying?

Anyone get that quicksand feeling?

Sure will be interesting to see this time next Year if the Ukrainians remain on the luxury welfare package.

"There is growing alarm at the top level of Government about the future of corporation tax revenues, after exchequer returns published yesterday showed receipts from the tax plummeted for the third month in succession.

Compared with last year, receipts from corporation tax were down 45 per cent in October, following declines of 12 per cent in September and 36 per cent in August".

Ti's one one of the reasons I try to pay as little tax as legally possible in this country as all they do with it is squander it on nonsense like you've shown, it gives me some little pleasure to do my shopping up north like I've done last weekend.. Little things give joy sometimes in the midst of the madness

"High degree of caution around that issue"

Why? Let's look at that a minute.. What are they afraid of?

- The Ukrainians themselves might object? Well frankly, tough! If they don't like the changes there's nothing forcing them to stay. They can go home (as many have for holidays or on the way for a better deal), or to any other country that'll take them in.

- The Irish electorate? No fear there I think. Quite the opposite in fact! Aside from a noisy minority, the vast majority of people seem to have realised the inequality of the current situation - with new arrivals not just being given things the natives have to jump through hoops for or were told wasn't possible (modular housing), but the effects on small communities of dumping huge numbers of these new arrivals into the area without consultation or warning hasn't sat well with people either in addition to the pressure it's putting on local services and infrastructure.

So it's unlikely to be either of those groups that are causing the Government concern then. What does that leave..

- NGOs. An entire industry has been established around supporting anyone with a sad story, but more than that it's a goldmine for the executives of these "charities" and a great job opportunity for the connected to be appointed/nominated to by their relatives and friends in the corridors of power.

- Property owners. Well the cosy relationship between Government and landlords is well known and long established in this country. A basic essential like a home has become an asset, a tradeable commodity whose profitability is to be maximised. So aside from hoteliers and commercial property owners who have done very well out of this "goodwill", you also have the smaller "volunteers" who are making coin from their charity - plus it's another way to brag to the neighbours and local community.. Something that we are obsessed with in this country back as far as the Tiger years.

- the EU. We already know that the main parties in this country are completely beholden to our European "friends" (much as they were to the Catholic Church in the past) and that the likes of Micheal Martin and Leo Varadkar are obsessed with being the best boys in the class and will ALWAYS put the requests/demands of the EU commission ahead of the best interests of this country or its citizens (it's only ever a coincidence when these overlap, make no mistake!).

It's not just about getting that much needed pat on the head (literally in the case of Enda Kenny as someone reminded us a few days ago), but setting themselves up for a career after Irish politics becomes stale in either the lobbying/board member circuit (see above), or the Commission itself (how else could someone like Phil Hogan still make a living after the Irish Water debacle).

So their cautious attitude to making much needed and long overdue changes is certainly not because they're worried about what the natives at home will think, or even what the Ukrainian new arrivals themselves will think, but more "how do we keep the gravy flowing for our friends, family, and property owners" and "how do we not annoy the EU so that my future career path isn't jeopardised?"

These are far more important in the scheme of things than the consequences of these decisions to the electorate or the country. Who cares about that, right?

Oh I'm well aware that the stated Government/FG intention is to dramatically increase the population of the country under their Ireland 2040 plan.

Seeing as the (non-benefit claiming) locals certainly can't afford to have more than 1 child, that leaves immigration. In that respect this regional conflict between Ukraine and its aggressive neighbour has been ideal.

But the effect on crime hasn't worked with our existing low income criminal element (as Dublin is sad evidence of and the reducing Garda numbers is a further testament to - but that's what happens when you appoint an unqualified virtue signalling, box ticking Minister for Justice ), and I'm sure it'll be no different with the new arrivals (Ukrainians or otherwise) as we've seen numerous examples of in the papers or court reports.