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BYD Seal

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    One thing I won’t enjoy, when in portrait mode on that rotating screen, if you get a call or text, the screen auto rotates back to landscape and over rides the map display. That seems like a bit of software bug that should be mapped out.

    Press cars mentioned it and it on YT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,284 ✭✭✭ongarite


    What's the drone like target cross hair on the arm rest?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Key card placement.

    place it, start it, put it away. I’m preying they come out with some form of phone key like tesla, carrying a key or card is such a pita first works problem nowadays!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Fian


    You can start & unlock car from phone using the app, but maybe you mean some way to add a "key" to your phone wallet so you just wave phone at car to unlock it the way you can add a credit card to pay with? Hard to see why that would not be possible.


    You have to enter a pin code into the app to start the car so probably more handy in a case where you lose or forget to bring keys rather than being the standard way you enter the car.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    With Tesla you keep your phone in your pocket. Walk up to car. Open, get in and drive.

    That’s the level of convenience tech I’d expect to be honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭DrPsychia


    It is a brilliant feature and should be standard on any new EV. Other brands will catch up eventually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal



    Test drive done and have to say very impressed.

    TLDR: We had been looking at the Model Y and 3 vs the BYD Seal and I think the Seal has sealed the deal(Sorry). Going to put the order in for an Atlantis Grey Design trim for January delivery


    My findings starting with the all important ADAS system:

    - Driver's assistance system was mostly okay. Lane keep assist barely alerted me on my 20 min drive and when it did it was fine, slight nudge and a low tone. When the car camera picks up a new speed limit(TSR) it makes a barely audible bong which is fine too. The speed limit warning though was quite a loud warning bing, from what I could tell if you are in a 50km/h zone as detected by the TSR and you're going between 50-55 the speed icon just flashes on the instruments panel but if you go above the 55 then it activates the warning tone. I don't mind it to be honest as long as it works as designed. I would rarely be going 5km/h above the speed limit but I would be worried that the camera hasn't picked up a speed sign properly when moving from say a 50 to 60 zone and then it would be driving you mad I think. I could be wrong(I hope) but I looked around the menu and I don't think it can even be turned off, I checked both 'Driving Assist' and 'Active Safety' sub menus. Lane assist can definitely be turned off though.

    - We both agreed it was the nicest EV we've driven so far and we've driven quite a few in the last few weeks. Not just acceleration wise which you get from every EV but everything like handling, driver position, parking, default level of regen braking.

    - Interior is so much more refined and has a higher quality feel/appearance than the Atto 3 which we test drove 2 weeks ago. 

    - The instrument panel is often an afterthought(i.e. Skoda) or not there completely(i.e. Tesla) but it's really nice on the Seal. 

    - Definitely the black interior for us with kids under 10 but neither of the test cars they had there had the light blue interior. Probably something I would go for if young children weren't involved.

    - Really liked the dual wireless phone chargers, very similar to Tesla Model Y we also test drove recently. I seen some reports that if the phone moves slightly then an annoying 'Your Phone is now charging' message can frequently pop up on the main screen. I didn't find that happening at all and we had 2 phones charging during the whole test drive. Maybe something they've fixed with an update recently.

    - Looks like it will take the kids seats fine and still lots of room for adults in the front which had been a concern for us. It'll be a nice change of pace from the family friendly tanks we've been driving for a long time now. In fact the rear passenger room is very impressive for the size of car it is(i.e. mid size saloon), not far off a Skoda Superb which is class leading in that regard. I think all the hype about the integrated blade battery might be actually true.

    - Boot size is another concern for us but it looks fine, quite wide and long but not much height. We'll be finished with buggy within the next year so even less of a need for a huge boot than we've had in the last 10 years. Might be tight on longer trips within Ireland and all our luggage but I think we'll manage. 

    - We're only interested in the Design RWD model but they only had the AWD to drive. I had read that the active dampeners on the AWD can result in an almost bouncy ride but it felt fine to me. 

    - The buttons on middle console are different to the Atto but not in a good way, they are still tactile but not clearly separated so you have to look down while driving to ensure you're pressing the right one.

    - I preferred the gear lever on the Atto but the "crystal selector" or whatever they call in Seal is fine.

    - Would've like to have driven it on a really sunny day to see how the tinted sunroof holds up, I was in the rear seat for half of the test drive. On an autumn day like today though it's a lovely feature to have as it brightens things up inside.

    - In the spec it says "Driver's seat position memory", I took this to mean that you could have different positions remembered based on driver profile like in the Tesla but it's not unfortunately. When you open the door it automatically brings the seat back a little to make it easier getting out/in and then when you start the car it brings the seat back to whatever the previous driving position was. That's definitely helpful but pity no proper multiple seat position memory.

    - Parking sensors and 360 camera were a joy to use compared to awful 'Tesla Vision' we experienced on the Model Y last week.

    - HUD which is only included on the AWD excellence was nice but I don't mind not having it on the Design trim we're going for.

    - Navigation wasn't setup yet on the car we were driving which was disappointing. Salesman said they just haven't gotten around to it since it's been out driving non-stop since they received it yesterday.

    - The BYD voice control is surprisingly good. I did try have it turn off Lane Departure Assist but she was having none of it, you have to go into the menus on screen for that kind of thing, everything else was quickly understood though.

    - Atlantis Grey is a lovely colour and I'm glad it was on the car we drove so easy decision for us. My head might have been turned by the extra 1.5k Indigo Grey but I'm not going to fork out that much extra without seeing it in person first.

    - Nearly forgot to mention that indicators are on the right hand stalk which was just weird and more than once I activated the wipers when trying to indicate. Something you'd get used to quickly I suppose.

    EDIT: Forgot to mention as well the artificial low hum(whine almost) in low speeds is really noticeable within the car, at lot of reviews I've seen mention this as well. A bit strange why it's so loud within the car, hopefully something than can be lowered a bit with a future update


    If I think of anything else I'll add it but feel free to ask any questions



    Post edited by youcancallmeal on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    If you want to satisfy your curiosity before committing to the order, get over to BYD North Dublin to view the light blue interior as they have one in the showroom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭djan


    Thank you for taking the time to report back in such a detailed way! Really looks a huge amount of car for the money and seems it shipped with the new assistance update. People in other markets have commented on ability to set memory profiles for seats so wonder if that's hidden somewhere in the menus.

    Mad to me how reviewers have missed something as substantial as the indicator stalk being the wrong way around but maybe that's just me as I'm not a fan of the Japanese stuff 😅

    P.S. how long was the test drive, and was it accompanied? Always prefer heading out with car myself without having someone interrupt.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    Wasn't accompanied. It was myself, wife and daughter in the rear for about 35 minutes. Went down the N11 and back, crazy how fast it gets up to 80km/h and once there you really dont feel/hear you're going that fast. My daughter thought it was hilarious to keep saying 'Hey BYD turn on the drivers heated seat' 😅 But on the flip side she could open her own window by saying 'Hey BYD open the rear left window". Handy to have so I can leave the controls back there off for the younger one but older can open hers with voice command



  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭DrPsychia


    This is really making me think twice about my desire to buy a Tesla, it looks like a lot of car for the money. I find the rear of the M3 is quite tight. The frunk in the Seal looks more useable for me than the M3 because it's deeper. Incredible amount of tech for the price. Parking sensors and 360 cam are a necessity nowadays imo, especially parking sensors. Ridiculous approach from Tesla doing away with them, hopefully they will return soon. The only downside of the seal is the lack of access to supercharger network, and yearly service requirements. I'm sure there will be software issues but should be sorted with updates. It will be interesting to see what the headlight spread and intensity is like. I hope it's not a focused to a centre point like most Chinese cars. I look forward to Bjorn getting his hands on one soon.

    What's the situation with pricing? Are MSL still adding 2-3k MSL tax to the brochure price?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    People in other markets have commented on ability to set memory profiles for seats so wonder if that's hidden somewhere in the menus.

    Just looking into that a bit further and the manual says this

    And I found this pic online of what the 2 memory settings buttons look like I think


    So if anyone else who is test driving it soon could check are those buttons there on Irish models that would be great thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    On the LHD cars the indicators are on the left of the steering wheel. Strange that they would move them to the wrong side on the RHD version.



  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭DrPsychia


    It is strange, especially when the atto and dolphin's indicators are on the left side if memory serves me correctly. It will probably be rectified at some stage like they did with the BYD slogan. It's still better than the refresh Model 3 with the capacitive button indicators! I wish BYD with provide one pedal driving.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Your price list is about €2k short alright. €51k for the AWD and €46k for the RWD.

    The exact Prices have been posted many times in previous posts.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭John arse




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭FaaF


    Seems a lot of car for the money. I'll be watching this thread, and the Tesla threads, with interest as I may be changing motors in the new year. Tesla may even have another price cut by then to compete given the cost of the Model 3 when selecting a different colour and upgrading wheels 😂



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,063 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Always great to see competition, it's the best way to encourage innovation



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,206 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Great to see, all I could choose from was a Leaf when buying or an out of reach Tesla, how the market has improved since then



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭rdhma


    Price cuts could certainly be a reason to hold off for a while. BYD have the ability to seriously undercut Tesla if they want, they have done so in markets outside Europe. Taxes and shipping add to prices here, but Tesla are subject to those also.

    BYD are now about to overtake Tesla in volume and with higher margins.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-vs-byd-2023-comparing-ev-rivals-tsla-stock/

    When the Xpeng P5 and Nio ET5 are on sale there will be a real competitive market.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    They are expected to pass them in total BEV sales in Q4.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭grumpygit


    I also got a quote lately that omitted delivery charges. Wonder have they been dropped from the price



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,063 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Probably a good chance of them managing it worldwide given they've a much broader choice of models.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭John arse




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭grumpygit


    Or Europe decides on adding tariffs to Chinese EV's



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭k123456




  • Registered Users Posts: 12 itsmeitsme


    I test drove the AWD Seal today. Thoughts...

    Good points:

    - it looks absolutely stunning. Looks wise, if it had a Mercedes badge people would be raving about it.

    - the power would warp your brain it's so fast. Far too fast for people that aren't used of fast cars in truth. I suspect the single motor rear wheel drive car will be lovely and will be more than fast enough.

    - It felt well built (other than one issue listed in bad points), no rattles or creaks, sound insulation was good. It's a nice place to be.

    - not a Seal good point, but it is worth noting that the BYD salesman was extremely well informed and very nice to deal with.

    - it comes with a 2 year service plan

    - it comes with a 6 year/150,000km warranty. People buying Volkswagen EVs with measly three warranties need their heads examined compared to the 6 and 7 year warranties with the Chinese and Koreans cars.

    - Lfp battery and range are class leading. Really impressive

    Bad points:

    - service is required every 20,000km. This is utterly unnecessary on an EV. Going in for service, waiting for the car etc is a nuisance. Korean EVs are 30,000km and Tesla don't require any.

    - the suspension on the AWD car does jiggle around too much if you have the opportunity to get a proper test drive on some traditional Irish bumpy and uneven surfaces. It's fine on smooth roads but even a hard riding Tesla is fine on smooth roads. It never truly settles or flows with the road when the surface is uneven, which over time would be irritating and doesn't lend itself to relaxing smooth journeys. All the reviews say that the single motor rear wheel drive car, which has different dampers, rides better. There aren't any single motor rear wheel drive cars available to test this year, but if the reviews are to be believed, the rear wheel drive car's suspension will be the one to have.

    - the seats look absolutely stunning, however, when you sit in you feel the initial softness of the padding and then it feels abit hard. I would be concerned about what it might be like to do long journeys in this seat. This is a point of concern rather than a bad point

    - Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS). It defaults to everything on everytime you start the car, regardless of whether you switched any of the systems off the last time you used the car. Please note, this is an EU regulation so all newly launched cars will have this, welcome to the future 😬. It is annoying, there is no point stating otherwise. It beeped when the speed limit changed, just one beep, but it's another beep on top of beeps. When I was above the speed limit it beeped alot. This will wreck people's heads. These systems can be switched off, including lane keeping etc etc, however, the implementation of the interface is really poor. For example, to switch off the beeping that occurs when you change speed limit zone or go above the speed limit, it required 6 presses, the same for other ADAS systems. The menu structure for this is overly complex.

    Even worse is that at one point I entered a 30kph zone and then turned left onto another street. The street I turned onto had a 50kph limit but the car's screen displayed 30kph and was beeping at me whilst I drove at 45kph, 5kph under the actual speed limit for that street. Head melting. It did correct itself after awhile.

    - if you are getting finance, interest rates are high, 6.9%. To be fair, the car is very keenly priced so it balances out.

    - the electric adjustment to raise and lower the driver's seat was broken on the car in the showroom. Worry about reliability.

    - adjusting the heating via touch screen is fine, it was permanently displayed on the bottom of the screen so it was just one press. Would it be the case if android auto was in use? I don't know as I didn't use android auto. Adjusting the heated seats requires a number of presses however, given the size of the screen, surely it should be possible to have heated seat and steering wheel options available without having to go into a number of sub menus.

    - the indicators are on the right stalk, wipers on the left stalk. I haven't seen that since Toyotas of many decades ago!! But hey, at least it has stalks....


    Overall:

    It is an extremely promising car with so much spec. We are looking at it for the second EV in our house (already have an EV6) and we also drove a new Kia Niro EV yesterday. The Niro is €3,500 more expensive, with significantly less range and overall specification and has older battery chemistry... and yet the sum of the Niros parts produces a car that feels like a better package. The Niro rides better, has more comfortable seats, has a user interface that is light years ahead of the Seal whereby everything is available without the requirement to trawl through submenus. Only lane keeping is turned on my by default (as the Niro launched pre May 2022) and that can be turned off simply by pressing one button on the steering wheel.... despite the above and the annoying beeping/poor interface, the Seal remains on the table as an option owing to just how handsome it is and how impressive the battery and motors are.


    Post edited by itsmeitsme on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Tweaky


    Great review - thanks for that

    Was really intrigued by your comments about the Niro. I have the new Niro and was thinking of changing to the Seal. I was thinking that the seal would win hands down when up against each other. I will know more after my test drive next Monday. Niro is a great car but the Seal looks and range are far superior.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭djan


    Apparently there's a way of switching the assists off by default even when car is turned off as the software doesn't seem to be too difficult to get into.

    Hopefully the BYDs will become popular enough as I had a fella out to code in start stop off by default and a few other bits on a BMW.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    The bmw start stop can be coded out on your phone now using Bimmercode. It can also be set to remember last position so you interchange between them both.

    On the EV, it’s slightly more involved to get into the system. There rumours of API hacks but would you risk it on a brand new EV, especially if it can brick the system.

    As mentioned above, all these safety systems are default and regulation required, it’s how they achieve their NCAP safety rating. They have to default to on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭djan


    Oh I know but it's already been cracked in China and according to local reports the current EVs seem to be a lot less brickable in general. Only a matter of demand in the market as eventually all APIs, ECUs are cracked as long there's someone willing to pay for it.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Agree yes. User settings should be saved against that profile. Such a simple task.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    So, my thoughts.

    I'm not Nobby on Cars so don't expect a pin perfect review here.

    I arrived in my Tesla Model 3 Performance to give a idea of comparison.

    I've had various performance cars over the years. I'm well versed in EV's having driving them since 2012.

    Price is €51,786 as well documented for the AWD Excellence version.


    Indicator stalks on the right.

    I didn't find this an issue as I've had many JDM cars over the years ranging from every Honda Type R to Evos, STi's to Prius!

    Quality.

    I found it to be very good quality. The Electric seat button was broken already so not sure if that's a sign of things to come or just the fact its a demo car, but it only had 179km on it.

    The seats are better than my M3P. Much more sports/bucket Seat orientated and held you in place that bit better.

    The interior feels really well put together. The seats are quite soft. Softer than I expected so not sure how they will fair out over time.

    The rotating screen i found a bit gimmicky, i left it in landscape mode. Portrait mode kinda took over the whole front view.

    The UI was good and responsive. Not as good as the Tesla IMO, I didn't like the fact you had to trawl through some menus just to increase the fan speed. maybe there's some quick settings in there like the tesla. Or maybe I just have to get used to it after being spoilt by the Tesla UI.

    The black paint was badly marked already. Really deep swirls and scrapes on the bonnet, front bumper and down the sides. Maybe not noticeable to those that see cars as boxes, but I notice these things. In fairness though, most modern paints are soft, from BMW to tesla to VW etc

    The AWD version has lovely drilled ventilated discs, but the wheel design hides this detail which is a shame, I assume to the benefit of aerodynamics.

    I would love to see this car in 6 months as I'd like to see how the interior quality holds up and we are not getting blown away by that new car feeling.

    I didn't like the constant beeping and settings which reset every drive. That annoying.

    I didn't get to open her up properly but performance is as you'd expect. i wasn't blown away considering my car history, but i wasn't disappointed. It was as id expect it to be. The tesla has it for that initial surge in power but in the real world, there's very little in it.

    It felt bigger than the M3.

    It also felt like it had more leg room in the rear.

    Boot felt smaller with the lower storage area a lot smaller as this is where i keep my work PPE, they fully fit in the M3P but they wont fit in the Seal space. Frunk is smaller too. But i hardly use this to be honest any more.

    Summary.

    I like it.

    100% competition for the Tesla Model 3 and in this segment, the smaller saloon, i don't thinks there's many EV's available. Everything else is an SUV or a take on a small cross over.

    Am I buying one?

    Depends on the cost to change.

    I wish the M3P Highland was available to get a proper comparison before committing.

    Visual.

    Ice Blue is lovely.

    Blue interior is kind of white with a hint of blue and I prefer that over the black. The black interior, like all other black interiors was kinda dull and boring. Id like to say id go for the blue interior but not with the Ice Blue exterior as it would be too much, maybe the Atlanis Grey on the light interior will be a good combo. Id prefer the Indigo Grey but not sure id pay the 1500 for it. We shall see.

    Edits.

    I actually forgot about the soft mushy brake pedal. Not a good feeling in a 530bhp car to be honest.

    the HUD was great. One thing Tesla needs. But I might go out on a limb here and say the dash was cluttered with the hud and the dash behind the wheel.

    efficiency. Dash showing 24 kWh/100km.

    Post edited by Gumbo on


  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭DrPsychia


    Did you test drive the Black AWD in BYD North Dublin? The electric seat button was working for my test drive this afternoon, full range of adjustment.

    Here's a summary of my short test drive. Apologies for the wall of text. I tried to space the points but can't do it while numbered.

    1. The driver seat is comfortable, nice side support and lumbar support is quite good. No lumbar support adjustment on passenger seat and I felt there isn't anywhere near enough padding in the lower back area to make up for the lack of electric lumbar adjustment. Rear seats also have poor lumbar support , more padding needed, would definitely get tiring on a long journey in its current form. I have no issues with my back. It's something to consider and test yourself if carrying adults/teenagers regularly in the rear.
    2. It's noticeably easier to get in and out of the Seal compared to the Model 3.
    3. Undoubtedly more knee room and a little bit extra foot space in the rear of the Seal than the Model 3 with the front seat set at my preferred position.
    4. The glass panoramic roof is really nice, one continuous glass panel like in the Model Y so it gives a feeling of more space than the Model 3 with the Middle beam intruding into rear passengers FOV. It is nicely tinted. I sat in the rear as the sun was beaming down at one point, no issues for me and provides great visibility in the cabin regardless of interior colour.
    5. As Gumbo said, it's not as intuitive as Teslas infotainment. More difficult to find setting and change settings. There's menus and submenus, swiping left to right to see more menu options that could easily be shown on the screen without having to swipe to find them. They need to refine and continuously improve it, which I'm sure they will do. The infotainment screen is not bright enough. Today was rather Sunny and I had difficulty seeing what was on the infotainment, especially when wearing my sunglasses. There was a LOT of glare on the screen, brightness was set to max. BYD need to change the menu colour to white instead of blue for daytime driving to offset for the lack of screen brightness. To paraphrase Bjorn Nyland, it's very much Chinese design and layout.
    6. There is a "Easy Entry" setting like with Tesla but only for the Seats because the steering wheel is manual adjustment. It's predefined and can't be set to how you want your "Easy Entry" setup.
    7. The car felt comfortable in comfort mode, took bumps quite well. Sport mode definitely stiffened the suspension nicely.
    8. Interior storage space is quite good in the door bins. Decent space inside the centre arm console and under centre console.
    9. The glovebox is very tight and opening was rather restrictive.
    10. The driver needs to lean over the centre console to the passenger side to plug cables in the to usb-c/A ports due to the positioning under the centre console but it's not a big issue as you wont be regularly plugging/unplugging wires.
    11. Storage space in the boot and frunk is noticeibly less than the Model 3, little underfloor storage, barely big enough for charging cables. The boot closing mechanism is very well engineered. Completely silent. Boot can also be opened and closed from drivers seat door by holding the boot release button.
    12. Like with the dolphin and atto, the brake pedal feel in the seal feels very weird. Mushy, soft? Doesn't give much confidence and the braking force is not linear. Model 3 is superior in mechanical brake/regen feel and deployment.
    13. I'm very disappointed they didn't implement one pedal driving like Tesla or Polestar. It shouldn't be a difficult feature to implement. I know some don't like it but it's a feature I absolutely adore. There wasn't much noticeable difference in the regenerative brake settings, regenerative should be much stronger.
    14. HUD is brilliant, a rare feature nowadays and very welcome to see it at a reasonably affordable price compared to other brands.
    15. Drivers display is good, bright and clear. It's fixed and does not move with steering column.
    16. ACC is rather good although it doesn't move once the car is stopped for a few seconds, have to touch accelerator for it to activate again. Can only increase speeds in 5km/h increments for cruise control/ACC, I was unable to find a way to do fine adjustments like you can in other brands by holding the increase/decrease button.
    17. Lots of bing bongs from the lane departure prevention and speed sign recognition system, very annoying and could be toned down. At one point one the way back to the Garage the right lane marking became non-existent due to wear, the car actually tried to steer towards a car stuck in traffic in the opposite oncoming lane, from my perspective I think it would have caused an accident if I didn't intervene in time but I can't be 100% certain.
    18. Pedestrian warning sound is too loud and it's very intrusive into the cabin when in slow moving traffic, it would absolutely wreck my head as a daily driver. When at a complete stop the noise ceases after about 5 seconds. I understand the necessity and legislation mandates it but again like with the bing bongs of the lane departure warning system/speed sign recognition, it needs to be toned down.
    19. The sound system was disappointing, I'm not an audiophile but it sounds is very 'muddy', flat, decent base but not good at anything really despite my efforts to adjust the equaliser settings. Teslas premium sound system is superior.
    20. Build quality felt solid, very well put together, no creaking or rattles. Nice door closing sound, not quite German level but still very good. Sound insulation was good. The blue seats feel lovely and the quilted design looks and feel very premium. Durability is unknown.
    21. Wing mirrors are nicely sized and visibility is good, rearview mirror visibility is not so good but it's not a negative for me, mirror visibility is better than the Model 3.
    22. I found the frunk surprisingly difficult to close properly. It took significantly more force to close than I've used on any other modern car.
    23. There's no ability(yet) to unlock/lock car with bluetooth phone proximity like with Teslas.
    24. Overhead grab handles are present inside all 4 doors(Tesla👀)
    25. Indicators are on the wrong side, salesman said the dealership is providing feedback to BYD so hopefully they will change this.
    26. 360 Cameras are brilliant, should be on every car at this price point. Parking sensors thankfully also included. A strange thing to be thankful for a car at this price point( Tesla 👀)
    27. The rain sensor worked(Tesla👀)
    28. BYD navigation maps is terrible, stick to google maps/waze.
    29. The Ice Blue colour is beautiful. I would pick Polar white paint/tahiti blue interior. White looks cleaner for longer and I just want to own a white car for my next upgrade. Atlantis grey paint would be a lovely choice if similar to crayon?
    30. Rear cross traffic alert is nice to have.
    31. I love having tactile buttons on steering wheel and centre console. I didn't have much trouble configuring the aircon but it could be better implemented. I didn't have time to test whether the shown temps are calibrated correctly.
    32. Nice subtle interior mood lighting.
    33. I hate that it requires yearly servicing. Why is this needed in a brand new EV nowadays? I know it's to keep the dealers happy but it wastes a day for me.
    34. Long basic vehicle and battery warranty(Vehicle: 150k/6 years, battery 200k/8years
    35. Wasn't able to fully test the acceleration but it felt as it should from my limited test drive. Traction was great. The steering felt nicely weighted in comfort and sport mode. Very surprised they managed to extract the claimed 530ps using a LFP battery and package a sizeable 83kWh LFP into relatively small package. Hats off to BYD for their innovative Blade battery.

    It's a tough choice to choose between the Seal and Model 3 Highland. I would probably choose Model 3 Highland. Some reader are probably rolling their eyes thinking I'm a Tesla fanboy but hear me out. Boot space is bigger in the Model 3 if you have kids but don't want a crossover/Model Y. Driving dynamics are better in the Model 3. Infotainment is better in my opinion. Option of Youtube/Netflix. Supercharging network access when required. Infotainment interface is better designed and display is brighter. Sound system is superior in Model 3 Highland(tested in Germany recently). Ranger callout is a great service. One-pedal driving(I adore this and believe it should be a software option in all EV's). No yearly service intervals. More phone app features(BYD will improve in this area but will take time). Smartphone key proximity unlocking/locking. Sentry Mode(also live viewing). Better standard navigation system. More efficient. Charges faster(long range). I prefer being able to sit into a Tesla, press the brake and drive without having to press a start button, press park when finished driving and walk away.

    There are things I dislike and hate about the Model 3 Highland, no Ultrasonic sensors, no HUD, no 360 cam, unreliable rain sensor(presumably, didn't test with highland), no stalks(can be retrofitted next year with 3rd party stalks but hopefully Tesla will reverse their design choice like with the yoke).

    BYD offers a far better basic vehicle warranty(6 years/150k kilometres), parking sensors, HUD, rain sensor and 360 cam however I think the refinement of the model 3 and one-pedal driving makes the Tesla a better car for me.

    The Seal is a great car for the price despite the added MSL tax, very good looking, and a welcomed competitor in the EV saloon space. It executes a lot of things very well and others not so well. It feels like first iteration. In the EV space, software is king, BYD needs to work hard in this area and will fix a lot of annoyances if they do so. If BYD adopts the approach of continuous annual improvement like Tesla then I believe it will be a cracking car in a few years.

    I attached the Seal owners manual for those interested, although it's for left hand drive it should be mostly the same as RHD.




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭John arse


    Good reviews but not great, disappointed to hear bad things about the music system as that was one of the attractions for me. Will test one next week all going well but might be sticking with my 231 ioniq 5 for now which I like a lot.keep posting folks 👍



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Bear in mind that our reviews are very personal, based on our own preferences etc

    You may very well find not one fault as it will suit you perfectly.

    The Seal V the Model 3 argument will continue on just as people choose the A4 or a 3 series. Both competing in the same category and both good cars. Choice will come down to person preference with no real wrong decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,039 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    I found the frunk surprisingly difficult to close properly. It took significantly more force to close than I've used on any other modern car.

    This is something I discovered as well. When we finished test drive I opened the bonnet to take a look at the frunk. I couldn't get it closed then and I was afraid to put too much pressure on it in case I was doing something wrong. Just left it like that and said it to the salesman back inside. He said you have to give quite a forceful 2 handed push down to close it again



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  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭DrPsychia


    It's important we try to maintain some context here. It's good system when you consider the overall car package. 530ps AWD, premium feeling and looking interior, great range, HUD, 360 cam, blind spot warning, parking sensors, rear cross traffic alert, radar cruise control, Lane keep assist, electric boot etc etc.... The car is loaded with tech to be fair. For the price it really is market leading. Costs had to limited somewhere otherwise the retail price would soar far beyond most people's affordability. It's trying to be the jack of all trades and it does an amazing job of that.

    Go look for all that spec in bmw, volvo, audi, Mercedes, hyundai, kia, you'd very easily soar past 75k, 100k.

    So considering the context and looking at all the tech, power, range, space, warranty it gives you. It is without doubt a better car than a Model 3.

    All of us have our own preferences and wants for a daily car and some people will weigh more value towards certain features than others. I put more value in one pedal driving and audio than I probably should but that's what I like and that's what makes me happy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭John arse


    Yeah agreed,massive spec alright. I fancied a BMW i4 but just too expensive,to me the seal is that beemer without the badge obviously. Will test one next week and report back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭ewj1978


    I've a test drive this morning in Cork.

    Looking at this or the M3 as my next upgrade from my Niro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,522 ✭✭✭dor83


    Have a test drive in Dublin this morning myself and also driving a Niro at the moment, mines a PHEV though. The big thing for me is going to be the assists, my daily drive involves roads with no markings so the lane keep is actually more dangerous on for me and I've never used it on my Niro.

    Also, just watched a video of the infotainment system for anyone who's interested, it's the Thai version so he gets to turn everything off once but I imagine the layout is the same.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,522 ✭✭✭dor83


    Just back from my test drive and I really like the car, I'm going to keep it brief because most has already been said by others. I do have a deposit down but I'm going to think about it over the weekend, the trade in is a bit lower than I would like so I'll have a look at selling it elsewhere to get a few grand more.

    It was raining and while I wasn't paying attention to the front wipers, which means the auto wipers must work well anyway, but I did ask about the rear wiper and the sales guy said there isn't one, is that correct?.

    He also said that the indicators on the cars for sale will be on the left, it's not a huge deal for me personally though.

    Just on the frunk, I opened the one on the car in the showroom and it closed easily, so maybe there is something wrong with the one others have driven.

    I test drove the one with the black interior and while I don't like dark interiors, it's actually quite nice, but I still prefer the blue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭ewj1978


    Test drove it this morning.

    Black with the black interior. Very nice comfy seats. Thought the UI was miles better than VW . Pano roof makes it bright and airy. Lovely smooth pick up on acceleration. Not a car nut so seemed fine to me.

    Drove it with all the auto assists on. Nothing annoying to me as I'm used to all the new vehicles having these devices.

    Swipe down screen and two presses to turn them all off.

    As for the pedestrian noise it's there for a reason.

    Service is every 20k/kms. ( which is miles better than my niros 15k/kms but awful compared to my id3 unlimited 2 year)

    2 year service pack at start.

    Seemed very well put together. If it had a Merc badge it'd be 30 grand more expensive.

    Here's a photo of the indigo grey one they had.




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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    What colour combo did you order?

    Another thing missed by my post was the V2L cable which might be handy for some.

    Are you sure indicators will be on the left? They are due to be on the right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,522 ✭✭✭dor83


    I'll be going with the Atlantis grey and Tahiti blue, I prefer dark exteriors, but I have black now and don't want it again, and light interiors myself.

    It's what the salesperson said to me, he said that they would have had to wait for demo models with the indicator on the left so they just took them with it on the right to get test drives in. It's not something that matters to me because I'd be used to it after a day or two, but might be worth asking your sales person if it's something that matters to you.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Wouldn’t matter to be either after having many JDM cars.

    The grey and blue interior is what I’d order too 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭djan


    Strange decision to do it this way but would be huge if they come with the stalks the "right" way! Great to see a mostly positive reaction to the car and here's to BYD sorting out the assists with their pretty well done OTA updates.

    Apart from adaptive dampers and HUD, what's the difference in the two trims?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭John arse




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