Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

check out many of the signs etc. not all. i tried to make that clear.

arguments made previously that the palestians need hamas out.

Very simple solution is for Hamas to free all the hostages.

Hamas did not want a ceasefire though so that rules it out either way

Sure the real diehards blame Israel when Hamas fires rockets anyway.

Israelis tagging Palestinians with ID numbers.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzM1u1Mr3OZ/?igshid=ZGQzY21ldnM3YnAx

This guy wasn't you're "soft day thank god " farmer. He was the stereotypical bandana wearing, grey beard, leather vest,white MAGA goon with an assault rifle slung over his shoulder, a clown in other words.

Like they currently do for the gas under the West Bank

Please explain how the Palestinian peoples lot will be improved by Hamas releasing those hostages? Israels stated goal is the destruction of Hamas and they seem hell bent on killing as many Palestinians as they can in the process. If this is how they are acting knowing there's hostages likely hidden in those buildings, how do you think they will react if there's no hostages. Numerous reports from Oct 7th indicate a large number of the casulties were caused by the IDF tank and helicopter attacks when they counter attacked Hamas.

If lsrael's goal is the killing of as many Palestinians as possible they are doing an awful poor job of it, for a society that is built around solidarity and workers coming together to achieve, it's a poor show, unless one looks at the obvious. That they are not trying to kill as many as possible.

If they want a ceasefire then that's what they must do, the targeted strikes will continue until it becomes a ground clearing action. That's where it gets messy.

There's a couple of factors that are making this assault on Gaza so ferocious apart from the obvious reaction to Oct 7th.

1. Netanyahu cannot halt this as when the music stops he knows a reckoning is coming and he'll be the main target of blame.
2. Added to the emotions of revenge and rage stemming from the Oct 7th attacks is humilliation. Israel has built a myth around their military and intelligence services. They've built an arms industry around it, the all seeing eye of Mossad and Shin Bet was unable to predict such a huge operation planned right within a tiny enclave it monitors 24/7 (it's a big reason why many doubt the veracity of the supposed recording they release of Hamas operatives talking and usually justifying the IDF's latest hospital or school bombing). Some of the most heinous crimes in history have been driven by humiliation.

Israel's stated goal is the destruction of Hamas, if Hamas released the hostages today do you think Israel would agree to a ceasefire or reduce the scale of the attacks? I cannot see why Hamas would release any hostages, it's the one small card they have left. This isn't a fair fight after all, the marquess of queensbury rules don't apply. One side has F35's, Apache's, tanks, drones, ships, nuclear weapons and the backing of the worlds only super power while the other has Ak47's and rockets made out of water pipes.

If it excludes people then yes it's unjust.

If it specifically mentions black people for example and not any ethnicity, then people are still free to target Asian people etc...

Should be protection from hate crimes for all ethnic groups.

The bill being introduced in the US protects Jewish people but excludes Muslims etc..

How is negotiation with Hamas possible?

Is there a more untrustworthy group on planet earth.

if negotiations are impossible/useless then there is no chance of a ceasefire, unless Hamas releases all hostages and surrenders unconditionally.

There are negotiations going on all the time behind the scenes. Do you remember when John Major said in the commons there would be no talk with the IRA as it would make him sick to his stomach. What was happening in private? With this in mind negotiations with Hamas are taking place via the Qatari Government. We even had Joe Biden thanking Qatar for their role in such talks.

I could be wrong, but I think a point will come where Qatar put pressure on the Hamas Leadership political leadership to agree a ceasefire.