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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX **Threadbans in OP**

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    #8342
    erlichbachman
    Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311801#Comment_121311801

    No need to look at a paradox, just look at the meaning of tolerance, as mentioned in the clip not one from the far left has been banned from X



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    #8343
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,823 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311918#Comment_121311918

    If you’d choose not to educate yourself on the paradox of intolerance, there’s nothing more to discuss



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    #8344
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 86,422 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    That rat mice cheese authentication is a head wreck

    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #8345
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121311772#Comment_121311772

    Ohh look its just more complaints pretending to care about freedom of speech when in reality its always about just wanting freedom from consequences for saying despicable and hateful things.



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    #8346
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121312813#Comment_121312813

    We all know that poster is afraid of education much like trump and the GOP



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    #8347
    erlichbachman
    Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121325362#Comment_121325362

    Nah, thats the old twitter, all changed now that Elon is steering the ship.



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    #8348
    erlichbachman
    Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121325367#Comment_121325367

    No fear of education, only self appointed educators.



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    #8349
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121325764#Comment_121325764

    Steering?



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    #8350
    erlichbachman
    Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121325903#Comment_121325903

    Yes, its not a tesla ship, it doesnt steer itself



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    #8351
    I.R.Y.E.D
    Registered Users Posts: 885 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121325903#Comment_121325903

    Yep just like a Kamikaze



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    #8352
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,164 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121325903#Comment_121325903

    Onto the rocks.



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    #8353
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,465 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    All hail Musk, is it? "Steering" is a bit of a reach given his time at the helm has, by his own admission, resulted in a collapse in the company's value, revenue and quality of experience. The Blue Tick sub has been a fiasco, while god knows where the challenge form the EU will end up. But sure, something something Woke, take that blue haired brigade.



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    #8354
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Elon tried to save a lot of lives, good for him.

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1721188412781216102


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #8355
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121328608#Comment_121328608

    So his and your solution is still Ukraine surrendering to russia?



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    #8356
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,465 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121328608#Comment_121328608

    How brave of Elon to suggest Ukraine cede autonomy to Russia and let the country he does business with bigger bully win. How stunning, how insightful, lest we forget the total of his suggestion for Peace At Any Cost.

    Whatever moral arguments existed about Starlink's usage in the war, he's a petty man to fixate on it again. His donation did save lives - and yes, sometimes saving lives means using information to destroy or attack your enemy.

    Post edited by pixelburp on


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    #8357
    Alun
    Registered Users Posts: 21,464 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    I see from another thread that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins have both had their X/Twitter accounts reinstated.



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    #8358
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,607 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    It's only surviving on hate these days and hate brings in revenue sadly.



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    #8359
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121329582#Comment_121329582

    Disgusting. Fascists like them shouldn't even have a voice in our society.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #8360
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,465 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I hadn't even known they were banned, albeit unsurprised they would have been given they are both ... well let's be polite and call them "unsavoury". Nasty, contrarian little warts on society might be a better descriptor.



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    #8361
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121328711#Comment_121328711

    I personally think Musk is a perfect example of modern society - a guy who is idolised or despised with no room for a middle ground from his fans or detractors.

    The problem is that outside of the echo chambers and overly simplistic "with us or against us" positions of social media, the real world is more shades of grey.

    In this case he has a point... Again simplistically "Russia bad, needs to be defeated and Putin brought to justice for war crimes" may be the default and indeed morally right position, but the reality is that Ukraine hasn't the ability to break what has become a bogged down stalemate, and its backers in NATO have no desire or intention to go "all in" to make it happen as they did in the Gulf war of 1990. It's not going to happen.

    So that leaves then the options of surrender (unlikely and undesirable - not just for Ukraine, but its allies who would see it as inviting Putin to keep going), a long drawn out war of attrition (which Russia can ultimately sustain a lot longer), or a settlement agreement being reached (the most likely option - especially as attention/interest has once again shifted to the Middle East).

    So given that, Musk is in fact correct that the sooner a settlement is reached, the better for the soldiers being committed to the front lines by both sides and their families, and the better for Ukraine and its subsequent recovery.

    It may not be a perfect or ideal solution, but very little is. That's not unfair.. That's life and in this case, realpolitik.



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    #8362
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,990 ✭✭✭Christy42


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121330706#Comment_121330706

    Will you once again be vouching for a settlement agreement when Russia rebuilds and invades again? After all if the west shows it will give up ground then why not push for more and more.


    Appeasement and trying to avoid war cost lives against Hitler and will cost lives against Putin.



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    #8363
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121330773#Comment_121330773

    America and its allies are not going to war over Ukraine. That's abundantly clear to anyone who's been watching the situation over the last 2 years.

    They'll send equipment and money and advisors but there's no will to put boots on the ground to fight the Russians. That's the reality. Besides, the attention and coverage has moved on to the latest round between Israel and its neighbour.

    The choice then, as I said, is to let the current situation drag on indefinitely (as it arguably has since 2014), or push for some sort of settlement between the two sides.

    This isn't a movie or united coalition against evil. There is no perfect solution where the good guys win in the end. Ultimately a settlement will be reached. The only question is when, what shape it'll take, and how many lives will be lost (on both sides) before then.

    But this isn't the thread for this discussion. My point was that Musk, love him or loathe him, is probably right on this one.



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    #8364
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,465 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121330706#Comment_121330706

    That's all well and good, but when Musk's plan, like others of his ilk, boils down to Ukraine ceding yet more territory to Russia as a second round of appeasement I don't see why his thoughts should be given any sense of legitimacy or rationality.

    This obviously isn't the thread to get into the nitty-gritty of how the war is or isn't going, but this goes beyond some sense of a topic being spoken of only in terms of its extremes - but a cynical riposte to a very wealthy man who feels he can pretend to subjectively opine on a situation he has no clout, authority or responsibility to do so. We all want peace and the killing to stop - frankly it goes wihout saying - but solutions that amount to giving the aggressor what they want is not a solution, and a bit to pat for those of us far from the frontlines. "realpolitik" is a little too glib by half for a situation as ugly and necessary as it has transpired to be. Hard to talk peace when one side routinely and aggressively assaults civilian infrastructure as a tactic; the historical parallels are pretty stark.

    Ultimately, the only only people who can dictate when Ukraine is finished with fighting, is Ukraine. When the spirit or willingness goes from their fight, then we can intervene and help establish a peace. Everyone else should follow their lead and not dictate how much of their country they should surrender for the sake of Peace At Any Cost, or listen to the musings of a billionaire whose judgement of late can be called into question.

    Everyone on this site, including myself, routinely flaps our digital lips about subjects on which we have little to know proper knowledge or experience - but it's galling that because Musk has an obscene amount of cash his thoughts should curry more weight, more influence no matter how unqualified he might be. You don't see Jeff Bezos give considered opinions on Israel - listening to Musk or his ilk dismiss Ukraine as something to just give away for "peace" is ... obnoxious.



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    #8365
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121330797#Comment_121330797

    Appeasement is never the answer when dealing with bullies, history has taught us this time and again but somehow people like you and musk think "it will work this time". And if you think it will lead to less people dying due to less soldiers being on the front lines you like musk are living in a fantasy land. Russia is going to ethnically cleanse whatever they are allowed take, just look at the number of children they've been kidnapping. And then unless Ukraine is admitted to the EU and NATO asap they will just do it all over again.



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    #8366
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121330803#Comment_121330803

    For what it's worth, I don't rate Musk as much more than a digital celebrity who got lucky with a few ventures, but who seems to have been elevated to godhood by some of his followers when his track record shows massive flaws - both personally and from a business acumen perspective.

    You're right that his opinion should certainly carry no weight when it comes to the political side of the conflict, but we live in an era of social media celebrity where people like Musk DO influence things (it was the same with Bill Gates during Covid for example, and even at home we made household names out of civil servants). That's just the world we live in now.

    You're also right that it's ultimately up to Ukraine to decide how long they will keep fighting this stalemate (because I can't see Russia withdrawing until they get some sort of settlement), but no country is an island these days politically and Ukraine has aspirations of EU membership and all the benefits that will come to it from that, has likewise aspirations for becoming part of NATO and with both of these things will come strings and conditions in the form of back channel "advice" and "suggestions" on ending the current conflict.

    Given that neither Europe nor NATO have shown any willingness to send in the troops, that only leaves one option really.

    It may not be the morally right decision, it'll be unsatisfying and lack justice for the people of Ukraine themselves, but that's politics unfortunately.

    But anyway, not the thread for it as we've both said 😊



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    #8367
    francois
    Registered Users Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭francois


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121329582#Comment_121329582

    That will encourage the major advertisers back



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    #8368
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,326 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121330183#Comment_121330183

    Spoken like a true fascist...


    I don't like either one of them. But if you can't see the inherent danger in one half of society deciding that certain members of the other half should not have the right to free speech (even if it is hateful or obnoxious speech) then you'll be in for a rude awakening someday if "the other half" become the majority and someone decides that you're not allowed to have a voice in society.



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    #8369
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,663 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121330863#Comment_121330863

    Being banned from Twitter is not a free speech issue.



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    #8370
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,427 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121330863#Comment_121330863

    Free speech has limits.



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    #8371
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,990 ✭✭✭Christy42


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121330797#Comment_121330797

    You keep claiming that a settlement will settle it which is a massive assumption. The only way a true settlement is reached that is enforced by both sides is if the Russian military is broken. Other than that it will continue, in other countries if Russia is allowed to be successful in the Ukraine.



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