Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

No. I’ve asked Gatling for proof of that claim. I’m still waiting…

Another handy quote:

First they came for the Trade Unionists, but I was not a trade unionist, so I said nothing...

Washington

Berlin

London

France

Malaysia

Tokyo

Indonesia

You have a million plus people there, in 1 day, from just a few of the places protests were held yesterday.

The world can see the unfairness of what is happening to the Palestinians.

Self defence, innit?

I can't remember any conflict where the Irish government were as partisan as they are in this. It being the main focus of FF ard fheis is unprecedented.

Maybe I'm just becoming a crank but are we being softened up for more refugees or something?

Thanks for confirming that it's enterily irrational, on top of ignorant of history.

Country that REDUCED it's territory from 83 thousand sq km to 20 thousand sq km after being attacked by multiple neighbours multiple times by giving away and trading territory must be literally the worst colonial oppressor in history 🤓 As I said, it's beyond absurd.

It's a lame, poor and totally wrong mental superimposition of Israel onto Britain. All that it is. Blaming the Brits not fancy anymore, let's blame the boogeyman clone Israel.

Historical analogy by Clare Daly. Not worth talking about.

Eliminating military targets is never certain. Especially in such a difficult environment and fighting such a vicious opponent. Welcome to war waged in reality, not in an armchair of a café.

Official information:

Hamas operatives and Hamas infrastructure destroyed - military objective. If Israel wanted it would flatten the whole camp to the ground instead. But it didn't and attacks very specific places (maps available on Reuters).

When will people stop these constant shouting of clichés. This is war, war means death and destruction. Why aren't you outraged that Hamas uses refugee camps for military purposes, hides in them and/or tunnels beneath and actively stops people from evacuating? That's most deplorable and barbaric. Not that Israel is striking them, after telling people to evacuate in the first place.

Jordanians are the last one to comment anything about Palestinians after they attacked, annexed and actually stole the West Bank in 1948.

The rest of your post is a wrong reading of the situation. In fact, Israel has been slowly but steadily moving to a better place with most of the Arab countries. The problem is non-Arabic countries aka Iran & puppets. Egypt signed peace, Jordan signed peace, peace treaty with Saudi Arabia is impending - they all accepted Israel's existence and do not wish to annihilate it (took them a while and few fights, they are stubborn people). It's only Iran that wants the destruction Israel, so it's been using it's puppets barbaric islamist Hesbollah in Lebanon, barbaric despotic Assad in Syria and barbaric death cult mafia Hamas in Palestinian territories to harras and disrupt Israel. This has been going on since the 1980s. None of these puppet actors are an existential threat comparable to the situation in the 1960s but they can inflict lot of pain, destruction and chaos. Iran is an existential threat though.

Assad has been busy butchering its own population en masse since 2011 with the help of Russia and can't do much damage to Israel. The country is exhausted and has turned into a narcostate. Israel has been in fact intervening for a decade in southern Syria to make sure no serious threat ever comes from Syria again.

Hesbollah has a lot of military might but any war with Israel would likely weaken its position in Lebanon beyond repair which would benefit the other two factions so they're choosing to sit it out.

Then we have Hamas, the Iranian Sunni mafia trump card they've played for years leading to the grand finale of 7/10 and the current war. They'll be destroyed and flushed out for good. One less worry for Israel. That Israel created Hamas is a conspiracy theory. Israel didn't crush it, it should have. Simply, PLO was a bigger threat than Hamas back then. Captain Hindsight stuff, nothing else.

Which leaves us with Iran developing nuclear weapons to either attack Israel or prevent Israel+Sunni coalition invading and/or toppling its government. This is a real threat to the Israel and to the region. As long as the current Iran regime exists Israel will not live in peace and it will always face an existential threat. The sooner Saudi Arabia signs peace treaty with Israel the better. From then on the end game is on.

Oliver Dowden can't tell the difference between institutional racism and institutional racism.

Collateral deaths on the 7th?

Do you think a music festival was a military operation?

You brought October 7th into it.

Was wondering what you were tryna retcon those events to have been.

Justin nearly came out with it. Won't be long now.

Hear hear. Israel is a democracy with plurality of political opinions from far left to far right as any other democratic country. The extremes are fringe (<10%). Leftist cooperative currents are very strong there (+ the whole idea of kibutz). Nothing like that Arabic and/or Islamic countries, in any one of them, zero, nill, doesn't exist and likely never will. With the exception of Turkey, that has done sort of a plurality and civic society but Erdoğan has been working hard to undermine it.

Hamas is Iran's puppet, both of them want to annihilate all Jews. But at this stage of Hamas it's only a facade to keep them in power (gravy train going) perpetually, it's a large organised crime entity foremost. To the benefit of Iran because they don't need to worry about the religious aspect of them being their archenemies the Sunnis at all.

It's very simple, read history, the actual history. You can start with Wikipedia.

• Israel accepted the UN plan.
• Israel declared independence.
• Arabs rejected the UN plan and the next day Egypt and Transjordan (now Jordan) invaded the area and attacked Israel.
• A war was fought ("Palestinians" had very little to say in it).
• Egypt captured and annexed Gaza.
• Jordan captured and annexed Jerusalem and the West Bank.
• Israel captured what was allotted to it by 181 (II) + 60% of what was not (buffer zones near Syria & Egypt borders).

So who's at fault re "Palestinian territories"? Israel for taking a bit more land as a buffer vs what a Brit diplomat drawing on the map decided? Or Egypt+Jordan who captured the actual to-be-Palestinian territories that have been a hot spot to this very day?