Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Wonder how true that is.The Arab nations were very quick to jump on Israel in 1948 and seem to provide the Palestinians with military resources.

The states are all different but if they all act in the same way the differences may not have too much bearing .

It is naive to not point out that Israel is a small geographic area in a very large "Arabic" sea (even if their greatest foe Iran is not "Arab")

From this distance my perception is that there would be a bias against Israel amongst all the Arab populations (I could be wrong but in any case they seem to have their fair share of anti semitism as shown by their many expulsions of Jewish populations down the years)

Statistically they could just randomly drop bombs and for each ~50 civilians killed they should take out 1 Hamas fighter. Seeing as how the IDF don't give figures for how many Hamas they have killed (despite their now amazing intel), it does make you wonder just how precise these targets are.

It also highlights just how daunting the task of clearing out Hamas in a ground assault is. Half the population being adults and half of that being male.... 1 in every 12 adult males would be a Hamas fighter... and yet women and children make up the most of the civilian casualties.

Skip to just 2 minutes in.

That makes them Pro-Hamas and Anti-Israel, based on the opinion of some people on here?

What is going on the last month is utterly terrible .... all sides .... it is perfectly okay to be against both sides in this and to support the decent people of both Palestine and Israel who never wanted this .... sad situation is that too many outsiders with vested interests are involved in this ... and using this for their own ends ... and none of the rulers of Israel and Palestine are doing anything positive ...

Hamas rule over an impoverished backwater and the more hardline faction has always gained power ... it is backed up by all the Arab states and the Russian province of Iran ... Russia tells its province to egg on Hamas ... Putin then gets off the news regarding Ukraine ....

Meanwhile Israel is basically supported to the hilt by the US ... if Milosevic or Saddam did what Netanyahu does there would be war declared on him ... Netanyahu presides over a far right government equal to that of the Paydari or Kadyrov regimes in Russia's most backward provinces ... Netanyahu has got into bed with some of the worst parties in Israel who want war ... and Netanyahu wants power ... Netanyahu benefits from this war by diverting attention away from his corruption ...

The Americans? Democrats vying with Republicans wrt who is the biggest champion of Netanyahu ... basically Netanyahu good Hamas bad ... this war could drag in Hezbollah (Lebanon) and America .... it could lead to renewed terrorism and the formation of ISIS style groups .... it puts targets on all countries who support Netanyahu ... Hamas who are anything but the sort come out as the 'good guys' and come out with a cause ... Ukraine is ignored .... other issues sidelined ....

The last thing the world needs is another war esp in the Middle East .... we know what happened with Syria and with Iraq ... Afghanistan started with kicking the Taliban out and ended with the Taliban kicking everyone else out !! ... Trump's needless war against Iran turned that country into an oppressive province of Russia that Russia uses for its dirty work .... this whole region is ready to blow and the funny thing is Saudi Arabia is now looking as one of the more normal countries in the area !!!

It is time to dial down the rhetoric, look at things objectively and stop fuelling the fire .... we have had enough war, far right and nutcase corrupt leaders on all sides in this .... it is also time to give moderate peace lovers a chance and call time on hardline far right warmongers who plan these wars from the comfort of Western cities like Washington or Russian cities like Tehran ...

Israel will be scattered to the wind if the US "keeps its nose out" as you suggest.

The Jews will resume their journey around the world being expelled from one community after another.

But some are religious and deluded.Certainly unpopular.So I guess they will have deserved it.

Not in our interest to act in their best interest.

To quote a well known phrase ,let's wash our hands of it all and see how the cards fall?(I am no Christian in case you think I am quoting scripture)

They tried as I posted earlier, in 1948. The Arab states could care less about Palestinians. They just want to kill Jews.

So Israel is bombing water tanks as well. They are completely out of control. Mass murder of civilians, 1.4 million displaced, white phosphorus, tagging Palestinians with ID numbers, ‘concept paper’ in removing all Gazans to Egypt, government policy to increase settlements, continued attacks in the West Bank, bombing schools, UN facilities, hospitals, ambulances, homes, mosques.

In the last 24 hrs, Israel has hit Gaza's drinking water storage tanks, fishing boats used by Palestinians, and ten bakeries.

If not part of a genocide, then what?

No, but some posters on here are trying to legitimize Israel's. Would you?

You can use the same arguments to legitimize Russia's - the only difference is that Russia would have stronger versions than the Israeli's.

The mask has slipped again

Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’

Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu attends a ceremony at the Knesset, in Jerusalem, on June 19, 2023. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

A minister from the extremist Otzma Yehudit party says one of Israel’s options in the war in Gaza is to drop a nuclear bomb on the Strip.

Asked in an interview with Radio Kol Berama whether an atomic bomb should be dropped on the enclave, Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu says “this is one of the possibilities.”

Eliyahu, of Itamar Ben Gvir’s far-right party, is not part of the security cabinet which is involved in the wartime decision-making, nor does he hold sway over the war cabinet directing the war against the Hamas terror group.

Eliyahu also voices his objection during the interview to allowing any humanitarian aid into Gaza, saying “we wouldn’t hand the Nazis humanitarian aid,” and charging that “there is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza.”

He backs retaking the Strip’s territory and restoring the settlements there. Asked about the fate of the Palestinian population, he says: “They can go to Ireland or deserts, the monsters in Gaza should find a solution by themselves.”

He says the northern Strip has no right to exist, adding that anyone waving a Palestinian or Hamas flag “shouldn’t continue living on the face of the earth.”

Strange how you realise that a particular line of "logic" is nonsense ......... but you are happy to blindly trot out the same line when it suits you and cannot see it then. :-)

You will of course ignore it, or try to deflect it, because you have no answer to it.

Feels like this conflict has normalised blowing up civilians. I've seen so much rhetoric justifiying it.

Obviously that is driven by the social media strategy of various involved Governments PR channels.

Christ what a time to be alive.

At least you've made your personal position clear that you think the collateral deaths of the civilians on 7th October was fine and dandy.

I don't agree with you, but you are free to proselytize all you want.