Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

If anyone is interested, look at AlJazeerah news now. Following a civil defence worker. Eye opening to say the least. If your one of those who still thinks Israel have a right to do everything they are doing, have a look at that and tell me you feel the same.

According to Wikepedia which you quote, Jews owned 5.67% of the land in Palestine in 1945. It is not surprising that they would accept the 1948 UN Plan as it benefitted them enormously whilst it was a shockingly bad deal for the Arab population. "Israel taking a bit more land as a buffer vs what a British diplomat drawing on a map" is a nice way of saying they stole land that wasn't theirs. 700, 000 Palestinians were displaced as a result of the UN Plan and Israeli war. Israel with 1/3rd of the population ended up with the lions share of the land.

Btw, this doesn't justify any of the actions of Hamas

Yup, hands up I misread what you had said, this is why i shouldn't post before I've had my morning coffee 🤦‍♂️

Seems to be a few people saying that the 1947/8 partition was wrong .

But that was the decision by the people at the time.

We are not going to go back in time to argue with them .Maybe they were right and you are wrong ,anyway.

They had the advantage of being expert on the situation at that time. We have the benefit of hindsight

Move on and adapt.

Israel is doing, and always has done, exactly what it needs to do to keep, and take more of what it should never have had.

Anyone with a bit of common sense would say that Israel are doing exactly what they need to do to accomplish their goals.

Anyone with a bit of humanitarian spirit would say that Israel are doing exactly what they need to do to satisfy the greed of Zionists.

Nonsense there’s nothing proportional about the mass murder and I can’t understand anyone who might think it might be justified. They’re bombing homes, hospitals, schools, bakeries, water towers, refugee camps, ambulances etc. We’ve seen lots of Israelis coming out proposing the genocide of the Gazans including two government ministers. There’s an Israeli government ‘concept paper’ to displace the entire Gazan population to Egypt. It’s government policy to expand the illegal settlements and we’ve seen the IDF and settlers kill Palestinians and demolish their homes and livelihoods in the West Bank. This is a state that used to harvest Palestinian organs FFS. Justified my hole

I believe what Israel is doing is disproportionate. It's not necessary. So, I believe it contravenes the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, where the concepts and principles of necessity and proportionality are key.

Micheal Martin

There's extremists on both sides and while they continue to promote such hatred they prolong the suffering. It was the same in this country.

It's people like that who both corrupt the minds of their own people and reinforce bitterness and hatred in the minds of their foes. Hamas and Israeli politicians have both been guilty of it.

People often wonder how the Black and Tans could have been so cruel to the people here and how could the young men and women of the IRA committ cold blooded killings and ambushes. When humans go through immense suffering it changes them and they may carry out actions, or make statements, they never would have only for how their life experiences have influenced them.

Netanyahu actually said his minister's nuclear bomb comments were metaphorical! 😂

We are dealing with clowns here. Scary too.

Yes, what happened on Oct 7th was savagery, but no more or less than what we have been seeing since. And seeing it on a much greater scale.

And as has been pointed out repeatedly, the conflict and savagery and death did not start on Oct 7th.

All Palestinians are not Hamas, and all Israeli's are not their government, and all Jewish people are not Israeli. A lot of people have to accept that they cannot have things entirely their own way. This is probably most specific to Hamas, I've no problem saying that.

But the focus of the vast number of people who are expressing solitude with the people of Palestine is on trying to stop the savagery that is right now happening to them and we are way past it being ok to use Oct 7th as an excuse to continue treating them the way they are being treated.

Someone should mention that to Murphy, he doesn't even want Israeli food in supermarkets.

Israel's goodwill? The only goodwill involved in the creation of Israel was towards Jews and for the benefit of Jews. What about goodwill towards all? Why do you support the greedy plans of extremist Zionists to create a state for Jews built on the misery of of anyone else who gets in their way? Because that's what it comes down to, they pushed and pushed for this for over a hundred years and they threatened and harrassed to get the vote over the line for partition. And yet theres still people who think no one has ever had a right to oppose them, not even those they displaced and continue to displace for their own benefit.

The 37 children still being held hostage in Gaza by hamas

So much whataboutery in one post

Old news it's just another ballistic missile seen from Russia to China