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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Is that hostel the only asylum seeker accom in the town?

    If so, its hardly a large influx and pretty much all towns have taken some people in.

    I belive there are some holiday towns that have lost 60% or 70% of their tourist accom and of course that will create issues for the town.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,839 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    It's not that there's an objection to discussion. It's an objection to anything that isn't glowingly supportive of the current mess and the issues it's causing - economically, structurally and socially.

    He and others are well aware of the issues and increasingly annoyed and unsympathetic feelings of the locals - there's been enough links posted and articles written by even the mainstream media now to show that, but for whatever reason there will always be some who maintain a contrarian position.

    Now to be fair, in some cases it can be extremely beneficial for such a view to be aired in the face of an apparent consensus (I and others were in fact those voices in the early days of this Ukrainian situation), but other times you need to read the room, take another look at your own position on the issue, and maybe just maybe recognise that it's not everyone else who's wrong... It's you!



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,839 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Just proves that the word is most definitely out I guess. Ireland is now internationally recognised for being a haven for anyone with a sad story and there's record benefits on offer.

    Not exactly the same thing as being known for Guinness, or our beauty spots and green fields really, but who needs tourism anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 424 ✭✭Coolcormack1979


    Conor pope of the oirish times today on the radio said he didn’t believe that over 2/3’s of those polled in the sindo believe we have taken in too many.basically said it was bs and that we have to keep the door wide open.how out of touch can u be .ordinary folk have been saying this for past yr but our “betters” has branded them far right lunatic



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Jeez, it is like all these people who take to twitter looking to cancel anyone who has an opinion with which they do not agree - bullying is rife but a refusal to believe the result of an opinion poll one disagrees with is shocking



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,479 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm not denying for a moment that local businesses in Killarney have been impacted by the refugees and hotel accommodation situation, but it's rather unlikely to be a long term problem. Ukrainian people cannot live in hotels for years and one would imagine that the situation will begin to resolve itself and the hotels in Killarney and elsewhere will go back to their original purpose. For sure, the current government should be heavily criticised for its handling of the refugee crisis, but it's hard to believe we will still be talking about this as an issue in two or three year's time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The government have said over and over that large scale influx of asylum seekers is permanent. If the Ukrainians leave they will be replaced by those from the other many countries at war. The end of the Ukraine war will likely not have a significant impact on these issues.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    I wonder how many Conor has taken in in his house in Oxmantown rd? But sure he doesn't give a shyte, he has his property bought twenty years ago, to hell with the young ones tryin to buy or rent in today's market, just keep em comin, I'm alright my property value is increasing every day 💶💶💶💶👍



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,839 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    It's grand so long as it's just words in a supermarket (well it's not, but howandever) - the problems start when it gets to scene like we saw a while back in the Citywest centre.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,479 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This is as much about accommodation shortages in general though as anything to do with refugees / asylum seekers. Homeless families were being put up in hotels eight or nine years ago (there were numerous reports about it on the likes of RTE News and Prime Time back then).



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭jackboy


    But there is only what, about ten or 15 thousand Irish homeless in hotels, and that is the highest levels ever. Very few of them are in hotels in isolated tourist areas. What we are experiencing is permanent replacement of the tourist industry with the asylum seeker industry.

    The policy to permanently take in large numbers of asylum seekers is not an issue caused by the accommodation crises but an issue which massively exacerbates it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,943 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Any sign of an "influx" in the leafy suburbs of our cities yet? You know - the salubrious areas where the decision makers on the Ukraine and IP situation live.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,372 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Bear in mind that if a bogus AS directly spoke to Conor Pope, and told him about the bogus claim, Conor Pope would still not believe it.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    There was a referendum in Australia a few weeks ago about Indigenous rights. It was defeated quite comprehensively (60-40). It was firstly to recognise Australia's first peoples in the constitution and secondly to provide for a constitutional body who would be able to make representations to the Government relating to first people's issues. Before the referendum, the PM (who lives in the constituency that had the 2nd highest yes vote in the country) was warned that the referendum was unlikely to pass because the first part of the referendum was very popular across the country and a referendum on recognition alone would have passed, but that the 2nd part of the referendum (the Voice to Parliament) was quite contentious and was unlikely to meet the difficult requirements for a referendum to pass in Australia (50% of the vote nationally and 50% in at least 4 of the 6 states). As the referendum date came closer, it became clear it was not going to pass but the PM kept making comments along the lines of "it's time to do the right thing" etc.

    The referendum passed in electoral districts that are urban, full of relatively well off homeowners (coastal suburbs of Sydney, central Melbourne, Canberra) and got defeated in rural areas in the main. It also got fairly well defeated in constituencies that are full of commuters, renters, people under mortgage stress (western Sydney suburbs for example). When observing this, I was very much reminded of the content of this thread and how this is playing out in Ireland. We currently have a Government of 3 TDs from suburbs like this, where quite a few people have personal circumstances which allow them to focus on social issues rather than figuring out how to pay the next mortgage or rent payment. People outside of the wealthier constituencies cannot relate to this intense focus on social issues and it leads to some of the long term bitterness and rancour we are seeing in this country now against the Government.

    There are 2 immediate issues relating to the business of immigration since Roderic O'Gorman and this Government began steering the ship.

    1. There is going to be significant long term bitterness against the Government because hard working taxpayers (people paying 46% tax on every euro over 42,000, people who can't afford a house (you can get a house in this country if you earn less than the social housing cutoff point or if you earn over 100k, there are quite a few people in that mid range who will be peeved), people who can't get access to GP services, people stuck commuting long distances especially in Dublin, public service workers on **** money (teachers wondering if it's actual Government policy to make them move to the middle east so they can afford a house deposit and nurses wondering if it's actual Government policy to make them move to New South Wales so they can afford a house deposit) etc. These people aren't living the life of Riley, and are quite frequently under financial stress especially given inflation over the last 2 years, aside from the housing issue. When they see non taxpayers arriving into the country and getting automatic entitlement to accomodation, meals, medical cards, education, transport etc, it does not work out well for the Government. Case in point when Neil Prendeville's interview with Micheal Martin a few weeks back.
    2. This Government and the last one have been extremely fortunate in that every year they seem to win the lottery with ever increasing corporation tax windfalls. Despite repeated claims that they can't be relied on and will eventually come to an end, the country has been operating on the basis that they can be relied on. Instead of using one off, windfall money on one off projects like Metro or much needed motorways, the State has been using such money to embark on widening the HSE budget with more permanent spending to cover gross budget mismanagement, or initiatives like this one which is costing 10 figures annually now. If we get a significant reduction in corporation tax payments, where do the budget cuts commence? Do we slash the capital budget like we did in 2011? Do we cancel MetroLink, which is needed to open up vast swathes of land which can be used to build tens of thousands of apartments? Do we cut needed roads projects, which will see people killed annually on desperate stretches of roads? Do we cancel new hospitals etc?

    As you can see, I haven't mentioned race or integration or anything like that. I'm just criticising terrible Government policy, which for some reason in this Government gross incompetence is permitted if it's related to a so called woke issue or something to do with the environment. I heard a Government Minister last week defend the policy of having thousands of hotel rooms occupied in certain towns even if small businesses went to the wall. It seems that the absolute mess in the Dept of Integration is being defended by Government ministers wholesale for fear that any criticism of these policies may come across as racist. Like the referendum in Australia, there is a large proportion of the country deeply uncomfortable with these policies. And like here, there will be no shouting and roaring at the rooftops, the shouting and roaring will be done at the ballot box.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I disagree with you on the ballot box. All the government and main opposition parties are aligned with the current policies on asylum seekers. The policies cannot be changed by vote. They can only change if EU policy changes first. We will do as we are told.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    It will to a certain extent, there will be more votes for independents and more aggro in the lead up to the election. But as you say, all Government and opposition parties are aligned, which is even more worrying, because some people will vote for Sinn Fein thinking they are an "alternative" and then during the next Government will learn that they are no such thing. Which makes you wonder, what then?

    The next election will likely provide an opening for a new movement in Irish politics. It'd be nice if it was an Australian style National party which would advocate for the interests of centre right voters outside of the urban so called woke bubble constituencies, but I fear if it's like the reaction to these policies in other European countries it might be something worse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Self explanatory?. Best boys in the class hold on to low Corp tax. Ohwait they didnt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Exactly.

    We agreed to raise to 15% ages ago.

    Our policy on Refugees is nothing to do with our CTR.

    Leo is actually sounding the drum to tighten up on payments for Ukranians and stated that they are coming in from other safe countries to Ireland.

    The change in rhetoric is interesting & also coincides with a bump for FG in the polls.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    The only reason Leo is sounding the drum is because he can see what way the wind is blowing, transparent as a plate glass window that lad, there's nothing to him when the first slimy layer is peeled away imo



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Axxxxxe was sacked from his position by Netanyahu for his comments, but you think its worth quoting??!

    Says it all....



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    It does seem to be a different tune alright.

    But he did qualify the fact that ireland remains open to Refugees and Asylum Seekers, despite our accomodation challenges.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,329 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    there will be more votes for independents 

    What indication is there for this? This poll tracker is putting inde0pendents exactly where they were at the last election

    This guy is projecting four fewer seats for them, despite the increase in TD numbers




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Eliyahu, the heritage minister was suspended not sacked from his position at the time of writing, there's quite a difference between being suspended and being sacked imv



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,705 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    The narrative has shifted to why would the Israel minister say Palestinians should 'go to Ireland or deserts' as opposed to any other country in the world. What prompted that comment?



  • Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭MagicJohn


    Do try to keep up - it was a news feature on the Pravda Six One News.



  • Registered Users Posts: 679 ✭✭✭US3


    People who come here illegaly are victims and will not be deported


    On RTÉ Radio 1's Morning Ireland, Minister for Justice Helen McEntee said that undocumented victims of human trafficking who report to authorities will not be deported



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    One third of all refugees from Ukraine arriving into Ireland are leaving accommodation and shelter in other EU members states.


    Must be the scenery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Obviously nothing to do with the benefits



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    Locals aren’t happy in Cashel about this.

    Protest’s planned also but listening to tippfm this morning the lack of consultation & lack of info is what’s causing concern.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    And all young males.

    It's a disaster waiting to happen. But you will soon find out where the concerns of your politicians and councillors lye.



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