The trial of Molly Martens

What you are theorising is middle class people cannot be victims of domestic abuse.

And wasn't Jason the person planning to leave?

No. His sister testified in front of the Judge in the first trial that she recalled a conversation in 2014 that Jason wanted to move back to Ireland before Jack started secondary school, Jack was 9 at the time. She admitted on the stand there was no actual plans.

Outside the presence of the jury, Lynch testified that Jason had expressed to her he wanted to go back to Ireland.

The initial conversation was in August 2014, she said.

Ms Lynch added: “He had good friends there (in Ireland) and appreciated them. He planned to go back there before Jack started secondary school.”

But David Freedman, Martens’ attorney, got her to acknowledge on cross-examination that Jason had not made any plane reservations or made any other arrangements to return to Ireland on a permanent basis.

That's the thing. The Martens have been painted as you describe while Corbett has been described as a gentleman. That's what I always heard and believed and obviously many still do. The more I've heard about the case, the more things have changed in my mind. I think both sides had many faults, there was abuse in the relationship and Martens ended it in a horrible way. Both Martens deserve sentences but it's not as black and white as first thought.

The rest of us can only engage in informed speculation.

Indeed. So we can rule out the debunked myth he was planning on immediately leaving the marriage?

Multiple neighbours testified this week that they urged her to leave the marriage but she wouldn't because of the children.

Again, she had absolutely zero legal rights to the children.

Molly alleged extremely violent behaviour, strangulation to point of losing consciousness

She alleged she was "forced" to have sex, which included strangulation and restriction of airways until she passed out.

To use the old Irish expression, she and her father would "say Mass" to exonerate themselves from murder.

They don't have to.

They have plead guilty / no contest to voluntary manslaughter by imperfect self defence.

She loved the kids and they loved her?

Neighbours evidence was based on what they had been told. It may or may not have been true. There is much evidence concerning Molly's selective relationship with the truth. She had no rights of guardianship of the children. Some might say that this could make a person desperate if they thought the marriage was about to end. Of course it is possible that Jason was violent and nasty! Nobody knows what happens behind closed doors. Voluntary manslaughter by imperfect defence! In name, ,yes. Will they walk? Most likely. Is this justice.Reread the account of what they did to him and make your own decision

None of that contradicts what the neighbours testified to.

It rather underlines it.

Exactly this,

This wasn't premeditated over a day or two or 4 days after his murder this was planned long before his killing

There's a lot of speculating going on above. I don't think any of us can know what was going on. For example, if I was to say that Martens wanted to save the kids from an abusive husband and father, that's why she was so desperate to have custody rights, it would paint a completely different picture.

But we don't know her reasoning and I don't think any of us will ever know. Anything else is just baseless speculation though but I suppose that's this whole case.

The Sunday World FFS! Is that your evidence?

Not seeing you produce anything at all

Can't agree with that. Nobody can be completely sure of the reality behind that handsome smiling couple's domestic situation.And it is human nature to instinctively support a beloved family member and to be tolerant of their shortcomings. Irish people, like all nationalities, tend to be outraged when one of our own is violently hurt abroad. But aside from the hearsay, the rumours, the emotions, the alleged incidents proven and not, stands the horrific forensically accurate account of a human being's extremely violent death at the hands of two people.

It's the speculation that I was referring to. We don't know the relationship between Martens and the kids and the motivation for wanting custody rights.

And had a new trial happened, all of this would have been submitted by the prosecution - it would at least have provided some balance to her own unbelievable arguments- whilst Jason may not have been a “saint”, we know that Molly most certainly was not a saint.

Maybe but that's what I've heard before and what I always believed. She was a mad woman who cold bloodily killed her husband. We never heard much about the abuse claims, the kids backing those claims up, texting Martens but then completely changing their story after a few months with Corbett's family. A family that some on this thread had bad experiences with.

I now think the truth lies more balanced than before. I still think that Martens had serious issues, that she and her father should spend a good few years behind bars but also that Corbett was abusive, he wasn't the gentleman painted previously and it wasn't a nice environment for the kids. This is just my opinion on what I'm hearing.

You posted the below 2 statements:

I'm sure several years of coaching and abusing them convinced them to say it out of fear after their father had his skull smashed in by the two psychos

This wasn't premeditated over a day or two or 4 days after his murder this was planned long before his killing

How can you claim those statements to be fact and not disputed?