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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    This headline will explode a few heads "How RTÉ wants taxpayers to fund €9m in pay rises it can’t afford"

    Dee Forbes and RTE management, egos writing cheques for the taxpayer to cash. This issue will bring a ministers career down should they acquiesce, hard luck for RTE staff, sacrifices will be made.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,816 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    CA is full of hyperbolic nonsense like this. Keeps it all in the one place I suppose, like Conspiracy Theories...

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,816 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato



    RTÉ has spent nearly €75,000 appealing findings against the broadcaster around bogus self-employment cases, the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) has been told.

    In fresh documentation sent to the committee, RTÉ revealed it has spent €74,034, exclusive of VAT, appealing bogus self-employment findings made by the Department of Social Protection. Bogus self-employment is where a company classifies a worker as self-employed although they have the characteristics of an employee.


    The original intention was to examine the treatment of 340 individuals, but that number increased to 500. To date, about 144 investigations have been completed. There have been 118 decisions and arising from this 32 appeals are active.

    This is just the appeals. With back taxes and PRSI this bogus contractor bullshit is going to end up costing RTE us a fortune.

    It emerged earlier this week that RTÉ has already spent nearly €500,000 on a series of external reviews commissioned in the aftermath of the controversy around misstated payments to Mr Tubridy.

    Post edited by Hotblack Desiato on

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 851 ✭✭✭fplfan12345


    The truth hurts eh ?

    You cared enough to comment on it.

    You hurting because you’re one of the willing or one of the defenders ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    A quote from that article in the Independent:

    An expert report, which the minister sat on for the past year, says trust in and perceptions of RTÉ were dropping even before the payments scandal.

    “For example, the portion of people agreeing that RTÉ is “relevant to people in Ireland today” has fallen 11 percentage points since 2019,” the report for the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland says.

    I followed a link at the bottom of the article, one on the current situation in Palestine. I'll quote from that as well:

    Meanwhile, Israel continues to mount airstrikes across Gaza in which Hamas health officials claim over 5,000 Palestinians have been killed.

    As I've been following the news on that conflict, I am aware that the current claim regarding Palestinian deaths is over 9,000. While it is not factually incorrect to say "over 5,000", it is at best misleading - so I wonder if our "trust in and perceptions of" D'Indo should be questioned too?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 34,816 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Hurting 🤣 you ok hun?

    Just have an aversion to hyperbole and bullshit that's all.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Looking at the business post account of the recent RTS meeting, it seems RTE have their eyes on the "Finnish model" to continue the lifestyle they have become accustomed to. What is that? https://yle.fi/aihe/about-yle/finances

    Basically, get Revenue to collect the dosh from private taxpayers and businesses.

    The Finnish Parliament decides on the Act on Yle Tax, which determines the amount of the Yle tax and who pays it. Yle does not decide on the tax or its amount.


    The Yle tax is mandatory for persons over 18 years of age as well as for organisations engaged in business operations, vocational practice or agriculture in Finland.


    For private individuals, Yle tax amounts to 2.5 per cent of the total earned income and capital income, which exceeds EUR 14,000. The maximum tax per person is EUR 163 per year. Those who earn less than EUR 14,000 are completely exempt from paying the tax.


    The Yle tax rate for organisations is based on their taxable income. The Yle tax is not collected from organisations with a taxable income of less than EUR 50,000. If the taxable income for the tax year is at least EUR 50,000, the Yle tax to be paid is EUR 140 + 0.35 per cent for the portion exceeding the income limit, so that the maximum annual tax rate is EUR 3,000. source


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,433 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Well I suppose it's more 'progressive' than a flat universal broascasting charge. I'd be exempt, some years anyway...



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Dee Forbes and Moya Doherty stated years ago that they wanted the Finnish model, they are now ... finished!


    I'd like a Finnish Model 😂


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    Something similar to the Finnish model would be better, The licence fee should be reduced & expanded.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Yes but that is just one of the problems in RTÉ.

    It doesn't really matter how you collect the license fee. You still have many of the same old people in RTÉ doing the same things.

    Do we really believe that if we brought in the Finnish model that RTÉ would reform the way it works.

    There is this problem that everyone things that its all the fault of the licence fee, but in reality their are other issues across RTÉ.

    RTÉ were give the opertunity to move the NSO over the the NCH in 2021 and they only managed to do it in 2022, that would have saved them 8m in 2021.

    Then just look at the redistribution of the money from the licence fee from the move of the NSO over to the NCH, almost 70% goes to RTÉ ONE did you notice any changes in 2022?



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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,433 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Are they not ultimately separate issues though? Even if RTE transformed its internal operations it would still need a new funding system to replace the licence fee...



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,432 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    License fee non payments are down a third from last year. Don't know how many never paid,but it's broken in fairness.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    But how do we know they are going to be reformed internally, what metric will be put in place. What extra content would the plan on making. As I said RTÉ we given a saving of 8m in 2022 and made a loss of 2.8m, most of that saving went over to RTÉ ONE Television did you notice any changes?

    I have no problem with having to organise a new system of payment, but you have to see a plan and the CnaM must be able to see it happen.

    You could start by increasing the % of money given to independent productions, at least there we can see a breakdown of what they are producing with that subsection of their budget.

    I just don't trust them enough.

    For me Kevin Bakhurst will have to present 3 document

    1. Showing that they have reformed their governance
    2. Showing what they would do if no changes are made for 2023 and what they will do without funding changes in 2024
    3. Showing what they will do should they get a proper funding package.

    However the government should also be organizing a transition from RTÉ to the split up of the organization should the above not be acceptable.

    Initially For example the move of RnaG to TG4, and also the move of the CO and Lyric over to the NCH (These moves would save RTÉ 24m, TG4 and the NCH would see increases in funding to the tune of 10m for TG4 and 14m to NCH).

    This is just my opinion.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,816 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Over €8m on RnaG is a scandalous waste of money. Compare that to what it costs to run TG4...!

    2/3rds of what Radio1 costs. I mean, really.

    However it's funded, they need to make RTE as efficient as TG4 is (and, dare I say it, VMTV)

    Needless to say, 2fm should get not a cent of licence fee and if RTE can't make it work then the frequencies should be sold off.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    They would argue that RnaG is largely speech based.

    There are certain aspects from both TG4 and VMTV RTÉ should have been looking at over the years.

    1. RTÉ should have decided that RTÉ2 would act in the same manner in terms of production as that of TG4 ~20m on independent programming, this wouldn't take from RTÉ2's sports output.
    2. RTÉ ONE's daytime programming should be run exactly like that of VMTV, it is crazy to think that potentially Ireland AM costs less than Today even though it goes out 50 weeks of the year, 7 days a week.
    3. Finally high quality programming on RTÉ ONE in prime time.



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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,547 ✭✭✭political analyst


    After all those unsavoury revelations, why has RTÉ persisted with the same crap on TV in the past few months, e.g. Keith Duffy's Dental Odyssey, Richie Sadlier talking about sex, the 2 Johnnies? By the way, with the drop in licence-fee income, how could RTÉ still have the money to run Dancing with the Staff in January?!



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,504 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Liked the review of the 2 Johnnies


    One reviewer described the show as “a hellish experience — never have the words ‘supported by your licence fee’ felt more like a taunt.”




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,433 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    But IMO the new funding system will have to come in irrespective of whether the serious internal reform ever happens. Otherwise RTE would soon enough get to the point where it has to take a scythe to its 'public service' output, say closing down Lyric FM or cancelling some of its flagship current affairs programs like TWIP. And no Irish government would ever let that happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    RTÉ can only close down services if they make a request to the minister, there is no way a minister will allow for Lyric to be closed. Their Strategy 2024 wasn't worth the paper it was printed on, it fail to take into consideration that the idea of closed down the digital station would have to be signed of by the minister.

    I suppose you could look at it this way, if the minister and cabinet are not happy with the uncosted 10 point plan: -

    1. To say to RTÉ that they will pay RTÉ until the end of 2023 so that RTÉ can insure financial security for this year.
    2. Say to RTÉ in 2024 RnaG will move to TG4, which will get an increase in exchequer funding
    3. Say to RTÉ in 2024 the CO and Lyric will move to the NCH, which will also see an increase in exchequer funding
    4. Say to RTÉ to revise their plans based n the idea that they will no longer fund these part of the schedule
    5. Say to RTÉ to reduce funding to 2FM until such time a better plan is announced, this means 2FM must survive on Ad revenue for 2024 alone
    6. Say to RTÉ that the government will then support RTÉ base on their 2022 annual report for the service the are then providing, however a new plan must be shown.
    7. Then we look the new plan and we start gain, if it is felt it is not good enough
    8. RTÉ TV moves over to Screen Ireland (again increase funding to Screen Ireland, the commission news and current affairs from RTÉ)
    9. Then we look at the new plan
    10. Then we tell RTÉ they are gone gone gone gone
    11. But otherwise if it is all good then get their nice little bail out. :)

    I agree no matter how you look at it RTÉ is getting a bail out and a new funding structure.

    The problem is they don't understand the privileged position that they hold.

    Most of the audience in at the RTS event were of the opinion that it is a just a straight forward case of funding RTÉ, and disregarding ordinary audience members, and lets not mention the scandal of the mismanagement of RTÉ over the last 20 or so years.

    It is crazy to think that RTÉ will be rewarded for ineptitude.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    I didn't mean that as an rte problem, not actually sure how much of a problem funding really is for rte, more from a fairness point of view.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    RTE "Drama" is the gift that keeps on giving.

    Heard this on the news over the weekend that Dee Forbes agreed to give staff a pay rise without actually securing funding from the government.

    Hard to believe...



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    If they want to introduce a new model find, but lets not have the current set in RTÉ being part of it.

    If you take the Finnish model and give it to RTÉ do you think RTÉ will be fair on how the redistribute the new funding that they receive?

    As I say they didn't see to have a plan for the 8 m the saved on the NSO, except push it into RTÉ ONE and the Toy Show the Musical.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    It really gets down to this: Would you trust RTE management with your money?

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,432 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    There needs to be oversight and any issues addressed. Like the losses at 2FM,the huge swath of the population they don't cater for,the rake of internet stations they,what are they for?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc



    The people who created the problems, the RTE management past and present, may not be the right people to solve those problems. That's why bailing out RTE is not a good idea. 2FM was a reaction to the far more popular pirate radio stations. The whole media landscape has changed since then and 2FM is irrelevant. Why should it be bailed out continually?

    The Internet has fragmented the market in that it allows for extreme focus. Think of Spotify and the way that people can listen to what they want and when they want. That completely blows the music broadcasting model (one to many) out of the water and changes it to a one to one model. That's narrowcasting. But RTE management still persists in thinking that there's a market for 2FM and their "talent". Looks at how the numbers on the formerly famous Tubridy's radio show timeslot did not vary. That means that either the methodology used to guesstimate radio audiences is rubbish or the time slot is the real start of the show.

    There definitely needs to be oversight but RTE as its stands is not viable. If the bailout is given to the same people who caused the problems, they'll be back looking for another bailout once they've wasted the money. It definitely needs oversight but it also needs investigation into how RTE was run into the ground like this.

    Regards...jmcc

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭Potatoeman




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,325 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Genuinely thought this was a joke, at first.


    'RTE will give PAC documents, but only if they can keep it a secret'...




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