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Tikka .243 rebarrel

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  • 04-11-2023 10:53pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭


    Hi all,

    After some advise, I got a tikka t3 second hand over a year ago for small money with a mod stuck on. The mod had to be cut off it was so rusted. All the rusted section was cut off and the rest seemed to clean up well, it was recrowned and it had been fine. Put it away end of last deer season and cleaned and oiled it. Hadn't seen daylight until September, checked the zero and the usual and seemed fine. Been out a few times and had some off shots but thought it was me. Planning to head out in the morning so was giving it the once over and spotted some pitting just within the first 20mm of the muzzle. I can only guess the barrel just wasn't right after the last time and the rust made its way back through. I'm sick.

    What kind of damage am I looking at for a new barrel? I'd happily take a good secondhand tikka barrel as money isn't plentiful or am I better to put a new barrel on altogether.

    Thanks



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    First thing I'd recommend is to bore scope the barrel. Make sure there is pitting and also check the chamber for damage, fire cracking, pitting, etc. also have your crown checked.

    No point in jumping into rebarrel territory when it may not be the cause. In short, identify a problem before moving forward.

    Next and a close second to the first thing, is to check it's the gun and not you. Firing a couple of shots at a target at an unknown distance, off sticks or some other unstable shooting position will tell you nothing. You need a stable platform, and above all else repeatability.

    This recent thread goes into a lot of detail that may be helpful.

    Things you can do before going and getting the gun checked by a Smith include:

    • Strip it down. I mean right down. Scope, rings, suppressor, bolt, etc. and clean everything thoroughly. I've a detailed guide on cleaning here.
    • Reassemble the rifle, scope, etc. Take your time with the reassembly and torque all screws in the correct order and correct torque setting.
    • Check your scope is correctly set up. Parallax is a huge cause of problems and most don't think to check for it. I've done this myself, forgot to check for it, and ended up chasing non existent problems. You can check parallax by reading this post. No harm to check for mechanical centring.
    • Have a stable, usually prone, shooting position with steady front and rear rest. No bipods, or holding the butt of the stock by hand.
    • Test fire the rifle without the suppressor on. Always do this to eliminate the suppressor as a cause. You can mount the suppressor when the checks are complete and if the rifle is firing fine.

    If you do all this and have problems then move onto going to a competent smith to have it bore scoped, and checked. Then you'll know how best to proceed. Might only need a top and tail. Such repair work, and even a rebarrel.should be cheaper than buying a donor rifle and still having to pay for the work to change the barrels plus the donor rifle will be an unknown in terms of shots fired, condition, history, etc.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭iand220


    Thanks Cass, I got all that work done last year. The barrel was very rusty where the old mod was, 3 inches had to be removed due to pitting. Breach was fine and cleaned up well and we had it recrowned. Quite hard to see from the pictures but I know in my heart she's not shooting right.

    I'll be dropping it to the gunsmith this week but I want to prepare myself for the worst case




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    IF it is any consolation to you. Tikkas can be rebarrelled and there are replacement barrels available from Brownells Germany that are in price as to what a cannibal,if there is such out there ,Tikka would cost in a gun dealer here. If that isn't an option, any good gunsmith here should be able to get you a barrel-blank in the profile you want and cut the chamber and headspace it.So long as he has the right equipment and two powerlifting pals to break the factory torque that Tikka installed originally.It can work out the same price as importing a barrel. BUT I would go first Cass's advice and check everything else first.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    I wonder what a 3rd party barrel would run, like a lothar walther or similar?

    Possibly cheaper than an original, if a donor gun cannot be found.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Lothar Walther and fitting.I'd ballpark 600 euros plus change for a project like that

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭iand220


    Thanks lads, I was down with a gunsmith this morning, not naming but they had a good look and showed me the barrel with a bore scope. She's not great but should shoot for another while yet. I'll re-zero it and see where im standing, if shes grouping, it will do for this season. Gives me a little time to make a decision but he mentioned a good barrel, getting it blued, fitted and tapped with screw cap I'm looking over €1000\1200 with the gigs and reels. That's a new rifle really so I'm not sure what to do.

    Don't have funds for 1500quid for a new tikka so a barrel all in for 700quid would be a dream. If I got anothet calibre barrel even like a .270 I'd change as well.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Wow, times have changed. My last barrel cost €725 all in, and that was a 32" fluted Bartlein. Granted I didn't blue it as I prefer stainless barrels for ease of cleaning and resistance to elements.

    To be honest you'd pick up a decent second hand rifle for the same money. Might be time to consider a change of gun.

    You could claim a little back by stripping the Tikka and parting off. Or use it as a trade.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭iand220


    Where did you get your barrel done Cass? I'd probably leave it stainless as well, wouldn't bother me.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭iand220


    Hornady vmax 75grain. She never liked 100gr.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Long ago. Long, long ago. So no longer there.

    Stainless is also a little nicer, appearance wise.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭iand220


    What's the story with importing a barrel? If I decide to put a new one on it, thinking going up to .270. So obviously I'll need a license for a .270 but after that?

    https://www.lothar-walther.com/gun-barrel-blanks/rifle-barrels/standard-european/324/barrel-blank-stainless-twist-10.270win/.270weathmag-od-1.26-l-26.18?c=34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Same as importing a firearm, get the licence with the right caliber, apply for an import permit from the DoJ with a front and back of your licence, wait 1-2 weeks and you get your import permit in the post.

    Send that to the exporter of the barrel, they will get an export permit on their side, and send you the barrel with copies of the import and export permit enclosed when the export is approved.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    650 is what I paid 8 years ago to go to a Lothar barrel from 243 to 308 on an AR10. Fabian Connolly up in Letrim did the work.

    Might be worth shopping around on a price for this work.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭iand220


    Thanks lads,

    Is there a list of gunsmiths people would recommend to do the work?

    Post edited by iand220 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Better rephrased,ask for recommendations for this type of work here.

    Personally,I'd recommend Fabian Connolly up in Letrim,as he has done such a job for me on an AR10 with a Lothar Walther heavy barrel. I'm sure others will pitch in and no doubt there are others out there who can do this too.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭iand220


    Ah yea, I'll edit that. Have you contact details for Fabian Connolly, can't find anything online



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Thought I had his number.But he is in Kinlough Co Letrim so dir enq should have a number?

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭iand220


    Is he Fabgun? That's the closest thing I could find



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 204 ✭✭Heavy handed


    I’d go the re barrel option over a new rifle been a tikka. Good brand barrel and it’ll last you a very very long time. End of the day it’ll be a rifle you’re comfortable with already and you’ve no extra costs with mounts if switching to a different brand rifle.

    I had a sako 75 re barrelled in the uk years back and proofed before it was sent back to me here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭iand220


    Midland precision guns were the only one to get back so far, great chat with them and not crazy money either. I think it's going to become a .270 before next season 💪🏻



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 trgmike


    i would do a little bit of research with regards 270 swap,the 243 action is a short action and 270 is for a long action.just my opinion if it was me i would swap it for a 308 no mods other than a barrel swap.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Tikka's are all the same action length wise, bolt stop and mags are the only difference.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭iand220


    As said above the Tikkas are good on the long and short actions and with a new mag and bolt stop.

    I don't think I'd .308 even if I had too, don't like them tbh.

    Nothing going to happen until next year anyway. Had the rifle out to check the zero and she's shooting very well, even with a barrel that looks as bad as mine does on the inside. Looks like I missed last shot for now its time to get out for a deer.




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