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Silencer Reason

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  • 06-11-2023 10:40pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 24


    Hi all, I’ve applied for a suppressor as I’ll be shooting vermin such as rabbits and crows. Dropping in the FCA1 on Friday and already worried that not only the suppressor will be rejected but the license as a whole due to my age. The dealer told me to put down horses in the field over as a reason but should I add more? This is what I have down “I require this accessory as to not spook the horses and livestock around the properties I have permission to shoot vermin on”. Should this be sufficient? Don’t want to waffle too much



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    On my rifle I used the following :

    Reduces the noise at the source which means it’s safer on the user.

    Reduced noise onto surrounding land owners.

    Reduced noise means it won’t startle adjoining land owners animals or horses on existing land.



  • Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭TheEngineer1


    Eliminates the need to wear ear protection which could be dangerous on farms where wearing ear muffs could reduce awareness of animals and tractors/ heavy machinery



  • Registered Users Posts: 24 ExtractorSpring72


    Do you think I should have that on its own or add it to my original reason (which still remains true as my properties would be surrounded by livestock)



  • Registered Users Posts: 24 ExtractorSpring72


    all fair, will try not to write an essay



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Essay is ok. Include it in your supplementary info sheet.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,284 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    @Cass had a very details post here some years ago that outlines the various reasons outlined in a letter. (hearing protection, lifestock, bloodstock, etc). Would be useful for you here



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    1. To aid sound reduction of the firearm when used around livestock and bloodstock.
    2. To aid sound reduction so as to not alarm people in the vicinity.
    3. Unsafe practice of wearing suitable hearing protection while stalking / hunting
    4. Protection of personal hearing
    5. Improved accuracy therefore aiding with the humane dispatch of prey due to reduced recoil etc
    6. Ideal for vermin control


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  • Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    Quick question, why is this thread called "Silencer reason" (hollywood theme) yet you say in your opening post that you applied for a suppressor?

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Silencer is the original term iirc, suppressor is more recent and more accurate to what it does (ie suppressing some of the report of a gunshot vs silencing it).

    Interchangeable really though.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users Posts: 549 ✭✭✭BSA International


    Some Supers won't grant them no matter what reasons you give. Eircode lottery.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Add EU noise directive 2002/49/EC that Ireland has implimented. Reducing noise at the source. States that any noise that is above 85 Db should be tackled at source first,and that issuing hearing protection is a poor 2nd best option.I used this in an application for a 308 SA,it was accepted as sufficient good reason by the AGS firearms branch.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭lmk123


    What you’ve written there is what I wrote and had no bother, probably no need to over complicate it



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I used it for a mod on my recent pistol application and it was accepted too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24 ExtractorSpring72


    @tonysopprano theyre interchangable i believe. The FCA1 defines a sound moderating device as a silencer, while more technically they are suppressors or moderators as they only "suppress" or "moderate" the noise from the gunshot



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Or "can" if you spend too much time on US forums!

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Correct. Silencer is the original term and used more in legalese talk.Supressor is a more recent and tech talk . Both are interchangeable terms for the same thing.A case of "You say tomatoe,I say tomato."

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    EDIT. slight correction on this post ,should be the EU directive 10/2003 article 3 which is no doubt in Irish legislation.This covers the point on reducing noise at source first. The 2002/49/EC directive is still valid as it covers also reducing unwanted noise in the countryside and quiet areas.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    Correct but my point was aimed at linguistics, on the same level that previous moderators have gone as far as to correct TD's in the Dail regarding the weapons/firearms comments, in common parlance, so why should we now go backwards and acceed to using terms and phrases that are incorrect and paint us in a bad light, to those who know no better than what they hear/see in movies.

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    As Sparks said in that Dail hearing when taking down Angeus O Snoddigh TD [SF] on this point. "Words have meanings"....Forget the rest of what he said but it basically refuted O Snotty's claim that all firearms are potential weapons and should be called such.

    There is nothing wrong , incorrect or shifty in explaining a term or terms for an item that has been confused even in our legislation to the point that these are considered by some to be the equivalent of a sinister type of assassins equipment.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 937 ✭✭✭freddieot


    One serious difficulty is that unfortunately several major manufacturers refer to silencers rather than suppressor or moderators. You'd think they would be able to get it right.

    Notable examples , Hausken website and Stalonsilencers.com.

    Hard to argue otherwise with the ptb convincingly in such circumstances. Although I have several myself and they definitely cannot be described as silencing anything.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I take your point however I don't get too hung up on semantics. I know what someone is on about when they say silencer/mod/suppressor but if it's part of a wider conversation casting the sport in a bad light I'll correct them. I started googling a few terms there to get definitions, a suppressor doesn't seem to be technically correct either as: " to end or stop (something) by force" doesn't fit as a moderator only reduces the noise. I did find a definition of weapon that included hunting but for the most part weapons are defined as something used in conflict.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭clivej


    I just put down "To reduce noise on the range"



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