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Man your pumps, Wetherspoons are coming

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Had foreign friends visiting Dublin recently and the place was full of trad bands. Had to keep pointing out that this is not actually the norm in an Irish pub.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I'm curious, in general, what are people's opinions / feelings on how Wetherspoon pubs are doing in Ireland?

    I have been in the 3x Dublin city centre pubs, maybe once or twice each, but I am not a regular, so I don't know how they are doing.


    What about the 3x Dublin suburban pubs in Swords, Blanch and DL?


    Any updates on the Aston quay site?


    Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Aston Quay has been canned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,123 ✭✭✭Blut2


    General thoughts from me and most people I know who've been to them a few times:

    • They're not as nice as a 'normal' Dublin pub but at 1/2 to 1/3rd the price the value is incredible. You do sacrifice by having no music, and no decent TVs for sports usually. Slightly too big and bright too in some of them (or some areas of some of them), it can be a bit canteen like.
    • The bar service is usually slow because its all young staff, but ordering on the app instead is fantastic.
    • The selection of drinks is very good - lots of beers/spirits you wouldn't get in normal pubs, its great to be able to try new things for a change.
    • Some of the buildings (like Keavan's Port or the 40ft) are architecturally very impressive.
    • The crowd can be young or slightly rough in some of them, sometimes. Though the security staff are good and I've never seen any fights.
    • The food is cheap but not good

    Overall they're not somewhere I'd go every night, or even for a full night usually, but its definitely great to have them in the country - they're offering something different to any of our more traditional pubs. They're at the very least a really good option for going in for a few drinks to start the night.

    They seem to be doing very well too, they're consistently very busy every time I'm in one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Pity.

    Any update on Galway? Other than what is reported in media.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,210 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Had a pint in The Silver Penny on Abbey St.

    There's already a weariness to the interior, the fittings have been battered pretty well, in however long they've actually been opened.

    Every time I go, there's a middling queue at the bar for service, no matter what time of the day it is. I don't know if it's that they are busy around the clock, my impression is it's the sort of place where the staff are constantly fire-fighting some issue or other. Half of them seem to be always trying to fix some issue with taps, IT or food orders.

    Having hung around a bit, doing my time, I got a pint of Dungarvan Black Rock on cask which was immaculate. I mean, this thing was the perfect temperature, and really fresh tasting.

    On the way out, got to observe the substantial Nigerian doorman in action. I can only assume he is a man who loves his job, and takes seriously the instruction he has probably been given to be pro-active. He was like a whirlwind, checking IDs, haranguing drunks causing blockages in the doorway and making people queue in an orderly manner at 5.30pm to be given the once-over by him. In fairness, that's what a door like this needs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,161 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I've never managed to get anything on cask in Keaven's Port, always out of everything.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭duffmann


    In the Grand canal dock place last night after work. Had the Thursday curry special and pint. €14. Place full. Mostly non native after-work crowd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭2011abc


    There’s no arguing with a double Dingle Malt for five euro something



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Are there any Irish weatherspoons recent price lists online?

    i.e. the standard range of beers they have

    can find any myself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    No not online. Download the Wetherspoons app, all prices for food and drink in all of their ROI pubs can be viewed



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,952 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    I think the one in Waterford only opened in 2022…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I wonder what is the reason?

    Not busy enough?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,029 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    Brexit coming back to bite Tim Martin in the arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    It’s interesting they are holding on to the Dublin region sites but completely closing up outside Dublin.

    Have to ask, are the Dublin sites much more popular?

    Maybe they get more UK tourist business which wouldn’t be the case down the country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    I’d say the margins aren’t workable around the country, I don’t know what the prices are in Dublin but I’d imagine people will pay 4.20 for a pint in Wetherspoons there and still think it’s good value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭Geuze



    But there are JDW pubs in cities the size of Cork in the UK?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Drink is a lot cheaper in the UK still though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There are sometimes multiple JDW pubs in towns smaller than Carlow in the UK. The city/town size is not the issue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭JVince


    The trade suspects they will diverse themselves of the Dublin pubs at some point in the future.

    It has been a very costly failure. I remember one comment by a publican "Irish people don't go into their pubs in Britain - what chance do they have of getting them into pubs here"

    He was talking about their pubs not attractive as a regular place to go, hence they fall off the radar as a place to meet up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    They've also previously put their unfinished Dublin development site - Aston Quay - up for sale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I do go to Spoons in the UK, great value.


    I am not in Dublin often enough to know the full story, but the two occasions I have been in the Grand Canal Dock pub, it was packed.

    Both Abbey and Camden streets were also busy.

    I visited on Thur PM, Fri PM or Sat PM, so maybe I am not seeing gthe full picture.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,819 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    That's simply not true. Spoons in Belfast gets a good crowd. It might not be the place to spend the full evening but it's busy all day. Plenty of Irish people go to Spoons in the UK as well. The Silver Penny seemed to be busy enough when I was in as well, with a good mix of locals and tourists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    And always very busy. I wonder will they stay open until sold (if ever) or close regardless.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,952 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    I wouldn't read too much into the reasoning behind this. The company opens and closes pubs all the time, and closures tend to happen in groups, as they did for all the NI branches west of the Bann. Doubtless there's an algorithm that takes in all the factors and decides whether a specific pub, or a category of them, is viable or not. It might be an expensive mistake looked at individually, but for a company that size, it's just another cost of doing business. They'll make it up somewhere else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭JVince


    The Dublin pubs are holding their own due to the diverse nature of the Dublin population and the reason they are not being sold now. But when the right offer comes along, it will be taken.

    I pop into wetherspoons in the UK too. Mostly for quick meeting or a pint before a train. But when I lived there, I did not know anyone that frequented it as a "regular" location for a night out. A lot had to do with the general dreariness of the place. In solihull they have a large pub and its about 20% cheaper than a nearby competitor. The competitor would be far busier as the blandness of the spoons makes it unattractive for an evening out, but ideal for a cup of tea in the morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    ^This. The prices in the Great Wood in Blanch seem to go up everytime I go in, but at 3.80 a pint of Strongbow (2.75 a year ago), it's still briliant value compared to anywhere else and the pizza isn't bad. Grand for a pint and a pizza on a Saturday afternoon or sitting out during the summer. No brainer in Blanc SC as there is no competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭JVince


    They are estimated to be taking a €4m-€5m hit on the portfolio. That's assuming they get the €10m. Ouch.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,952 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    On an enterprise value of about £2.5bn it's not much of an ouch. Holding on to properties that aren't paying their way would risk a bigger injury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    The good lady is from down South Laois direction and I was in the Carlow Wetherspoons maybe twice.

    A refurbed venue with a long corridor with tables either side leading to a square room set up with the bar to the right hand side.

    Carpets on the floor and bright strip lighting.

    Both times it was very slack trade wise.

    A few 40-70 yr old bar flys propping up the counter was the height of it. By the nonsense talk they’d all been there most of the day.

    Noted a few members of our travelling community day drinking away also.

    This was mid week. I Havnt a clue whether if they were busy on weekends - probably? Also I can see students going there for the cheap booze.

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  • Administrators Posts: 54,316 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Probably, but also think it's just a total culture clash that will limit their growth and bottom line.

    I don't think most Irish drinkers find British-style pubs to be attractive, and I don't think cheaper booze is enough to get them to overlook this. I think most people would rather pay a bit more for their drinks to sit in a pub with an ambiance and atmosphere that they're used to.

    They are fairly mediocre places to be, literally the only thing they have going for them is the drink prices.

    Also no Guinness 👎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I accept your point, although it's a bit disingenuous of Irish people to complain about expensive drink, and then not become customers of Spoons when they open.

    I complain about brewer's dominance and margins, but I walk the walk by visiting Spoons every time I'm in Dublin.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,210 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    I occasionally stop off for a drink in the Silver Penny on Abbey Street, and while I can point to many issues with it, one attractive thing about it is a very good cask ale selection, at a phenomenal price.

    Offhand, I'm not aware of anywhere else I could drink Dungarvan Black Rock stout on cask at the moment, in Dublin, and not for 2.50 a pint.

    But in general, if they 'do well' or survive in Ireland, I probably agree it won't come down to things like their cask selection.

    The Abbey Street location can be very entertaining, even if you're only there for 20 minutes in the evening, having a pint while waiting for the bus, you might catch some kind of drama unfolding, due to the nature of the clientele (Clearly excluding moi). I appreciate this is a double-edged sword, I find a lot of it funny, more than anything, and feel safe enough in that kind of environment, but it's not somewhere I would like to bring friends and family to, or be there and have had a substantial amount to drink. More of a dip in and dip out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Just out of curiosity what sort of entertainment/drama goes on at the Silver Penny?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,526 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I'm not out that frequently in Dublin, but it is the cask beers I would go to the 'spoons for. I haven't had any success in Camden Street, and they only had one on (despite what the app said) last time I was in Grand Canal Dock (and it wasn't one of the Irish ones).



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,210 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Scuffles, people being ejected from the porch... Drama of all kinds, really.

    Some of the clientele are quite chaotic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    I've been in the Silver Penny about four or five times since the start of September, all on a Saturday afternoon, between 2 and 5 say. Only once did I see any kind of "drama" and it was a one drunk man speaking a bit loudly to another drunk man at the same table as him, it might have boiled over but I got the impression they were keeping a lid on it as a group, given the very obvious security situation.

    I was exclusively drinking cask ales, and paying 2.50 a pint for them. I was in the company of what I suppose you'd term "beer nerds" and the conversation centred around the beer itself, so it was perfect for what we wanted. On at least 2 occasions they had the Rugby World Cup match that was taking place at the time, on at least one screen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    When are Carlow, Waterford and Cork closing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    No one knows, only confirmed that they are up for sale.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,684 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I happened across the one in Grand Canal Plaza yesterday evening, it was really busy and lively, especially for a Spoons.

    Anyway they had like 5 different types of really good ale for, 2 f**king 50 a pint! Couldn't believe it. Had 3 pints and plenty of change from a tenner.

    Nice place with a good crowd and good service to your table. I'm definitely going back, I don't know why the places have such a bad name although I used to live near some really depressing Spoons in London.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Yes, I have been in the Grand Canal Dock outlet twice.

    Busy both times, many non-Irish, as might be expected by the employment nearby.

    The pub is over two floors, there is seating in the basement. Also seating outside.

    Yes, 2.50 for cask ale, great value.

    When you think about it, the 2.50 price shows the massive profits being made by brewers and pubs selling pints for 6.00-7.00 nearby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,944 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    Or the massive discounts spoons can negotiate with their buying power.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,819 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    Yeah it's not really a like for like comparison. Spoons have a completely different business model to every other hospitality venue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,161 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    In other words they don't get bent over by Guinness and Heineken Ireland

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Thundercats Ho


    I've been in the Carlow one maybe 15-20 times.

    For me, It's clean, warm, has a couple of large screens with Sky Sports and TNT Sports, and pints of Stella for €3.00 or Renegade for €3.45

    I'd only be in for the sport and a few cheap pints now and then, perhaps never there past 8pm, so never saw any hassle.

    The 3 half (or is it 1/3) pints of cask for €1.95 is insane value, when the cask festival is on.

    It will continue to trade until sold, a staff member told me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Beamish at 4.45 in the South Strand on Grand Canal Harbour is actually dearer than Beamish at 4.20 in the Auld Triangle on Dorset street.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭donaghs


    4.20 is a great price, but 4.45 is still great value in the south docks office area. I can't see many docklands/southside office workers etc making the trek up to the junction of Dorset st/Gardiner St to save 25c pint.

    I'm happy to see more Weatherspoons in city centre locations. if you go in with a crowd from work, or group of friends, you make your own atmosphere. There are exceptions like Mulligans, but I dont think most office-clientele Dublin city centre pubs are big on "atmosphere".



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,819 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    I see a certain MMA fighter's stout is now on tap in the ROI pubs. No sign in the NI or UK pubs, yet...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,161 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'd rather drink literal píss...

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



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