The trial of Molly Martens

Yes - last weekend

You keep omitting the reasoning of this psychopath.

In her mind she was murdering nobody. Her plan was to end his life, plead self defence and be exonerated.

This absolutely would allow her free and to be the children’s guardian.

You have more posts on this thread than anyone. And yet you still refuse to say what you actually believe. Very odd. It’s all just replies to posters (to muddy the waters), who can clearly see that this was a deliberate murder of a man. Not self defense, not an accident. A massacre.

and yet all you keep doing is trying to obfuscate by pasting legal jargon ad-nauseum.

I think that you think she was right and justified. But you still won’t come out and say it…you’re not fully off the fence.

You yourself just a few posts up have expressed some serious reservation about the Irish autopsy and coroner etc reports!!! I agree with you and surely you believe what you write???

This lady now sadly deceased was believed to have died from an asthma attack. The medical expert witnesses in the US have ruled this out categorically based on the details of these Irish documents.

So there's a problem isn't there? My sympathies are with them as the logical conclusion is that whatever certainties they had, these are now open to question. Did our authorities investigate this death fully and properly or just accept the history of respiratory illness and jump to wrong conclusion? Not easy at all for them.

Legally entitled does not at all mean she had no chance to gain custody should the father die. It simply means she had not an automatic "entitlement". You know this, though

Simple: if the father died of a heart attack, and Molly, as his wife, residing in the U.S. as a U.S. citizen with her two stepchildren living in the family home applied for custody, are you telling me that she would not get it? She would have the strongest case for custody than anyone else. She (being a psychopath) thought murdering him and getting off based on a self defence claim was an option.

Again, for whatever reason, you are posting this legal jargon to justify her murdering Jason. It's so obvious...and you're hiding behind the legal jaron, and hiding behind the "I echo but not completely agree with the prosecutions opinion."

The haven't ruled it out categorically. They've said that based on the report, it's possible that there could have been another cause of death. The report doesn't contain enough information to prove 100% that she died of an asthma attack. That DOES NOT mean that she definitely didn't die of an asthma attack.

And what about the evidence that certain posters are ridiculing that has actually come from the prosecution side.

Look I never said that what they did to him was justified. As far as I am concerned they killed him and should serve time for that crime.

Was there mitigation, from what I have read so far there is a huge doubt around that matter.

A certain person has created a living / fame around the narrative that this saint was murdered by these evil deranged monsters. That person is a conieving manipulative individual and I know that for facts.

Hopefully this sorrowful saga can end and the two kids can move on to live a balanced happy life without the baggage of both versions of the story.

The prosecutions opinion is legal jargon?

Interesting.

Good to see you are dropping the "conspiracy" dig

Given the circumstances of Mags Fitzpatrick death the cause could easily have been certified by an attending doctor based on her medical history without any autopsy.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/3/acutehospitals/hospitals/cavanmonaghan/information-on-post-mortems.pdf

An autopsy would not have been carried out in the expectation that it would independently and without regard to the wider circumstances of Mags' death, have to stand up to the level of scrutiny to conclusively prove the definitive cause of death beyond reasonable doubt in a subsequent murder trial.

When there are no suspicious circumstances and death is consistent with events and a known medical condition, an in depth autopsy (or indeed any) would not be required.

Grand..

do you believe she was reacting to Jason initiating an attack on her, and her claim of self defence is correct/justified?

I have no idea I wasn't there, unlike most on here it would seem.

But that would be the accepted narrative of the prosecution.

Fair enough - so all of this was essentially sophistry by the defence and in doing so, has put that poor family through needless additional pain and suffering

If what you’re saying is true, then why did the prosecution not follow up with such a statement I wonder - they could easily have got an Irish medical representative to testify

I believe it was reported that it was stated by these medical experts that it would have been very obvious that a person had died from an asthma attack. Implying that the evidence of this couldn't have been missed in a routine autopsy examination. And that these details missing from the report led them all to agree that it was not likely but that actual cause of death was uncertain.

I'm not sure we should be discussing this as the relatives of this deceased woman live in the country. It surely doesn't sit well though that these queries are being raised and long held beliefs challenged. Requires answers as you say from the relevant authorities here.

I'd see it as being the defense deliberately using Mags' autopsy report out of context and criticising it for something it was never intended to do and then using this to introduce an unjustified element of doubt and try lend some credence to Molly's claim she was in danger.

I hope the judge is just letting them have their say and treats it as the utter nonsense it is.

Similarly with the claim that Mags' father told Molly at Jason and Molly's wedding he thought Jason might have killed Mags, when in fact Mags' father was not at the wedding.

Similarly with Molly's attempts to try and depict herself as an abuse victim, uncorroborated by anything other than her own narrative.

The defense are willing to try drag Jason's name through the mud to excuse the inexcusable. They don't scrutinise their own wild claims as closely as they scrutinise Mags' irrelevant autopsy.

I suspect, but hope I'm wrong, that their background - white middle class American, attractive woman and retired law enforcement officer, has played a large part in how the case has been treated.

I doubt if they came from a different background they would have gotten as far as a plea bargain, but now with a plea bargain and time served the prosecution might not see the merit in arguing over a year or two difference in the sentence, especially for an attractive white middle class American and her retired law enforcement father.