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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,421 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Life must be unbearable in the occupied areas of Ukraine.

    Literally a genocide of people and everything Ukrainian.

    She's just spelt it out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Don't forget either that shipwrecks make great artificial reef's.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    LOL... Thats a good one all right!!!! If Putin dies ( and die he will, and the sooner the better) and has not established his successor, then it will end in a very uncivil war between the Silovicki and Oligarchs ( and Kirills Orthodox private army ) But even if he establishes a successor, its quite possible that he could meet the same fate as what happened Boris Yeltsin after Putin took over the reins, so that's unlikely. He would like to die pleasantly in his bed, preferably.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They tend to be very well preserved in the black sea too,



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    If you want to have a good laugh, thread 🧵




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    wow. more insanity. are russians as gullible as maga supporters?



  • Registered Users Posts: 860 ✭✭✭3d4life


    A few words from a Bellingcat article ( https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/10/07/examining-videos-of-suspected-ukrainian-riflemen-in-sudan/ )

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    "..... ‘Common Challenges’

    This footage comes after reports of growing Ukrainian engagement with African states. On September 23, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky met Abdel-Fattah Al-Burhan, head of Sudan’s Transitional Council, at a stopover at Shannon airport in Ireland.

    The two men discussed “common security challenges, namely the activities of illegal armed groups financed by Russia”, said Zelensky......"



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,053 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec



    The EU will fall? What a load of nonsense, comrade. 😛



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭victor8600


    Unfortunately, they are. But, of course, Russians think that they are smart critical thinkers, not like them dumb Americans, and that nothing is straightforward and everything is relative. Sure, they think, killing people is bad, but Ukrainians are not really proper people, and besides they started resisting when Russians only wanted to bring peace to Crimea and Donbass. Nobody should stand between a Russian and his desire to bring peace to a place he wants to subjugate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,155 ✭✭✭saabsaab




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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The thing about any alternative presidential candidate going public ( as he would have to) and surviving is pretty slim in Putin's Russia. The only survival able candidate would have to be Putin approved, as part f a sham "opposition" to give the election the veneer of "Normal Democracy".



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,527 ✭✭✭brickster69


    ..

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,269 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I get the feeling a Russian spy gave the location away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    They may of but the Ukrainians shouldn't of been gathered for a ceremony like that near the front lines. No Ukrainian should be killed but to have that amount killed the way it happened is to sell those Ukrainian lives very easily for the Russians. Reading a report earlier on skynews that Ukrainian soldiers have been fighting for about 600 days but only get 30 days off a year so seems to be in chunks of 10 days when they do. Tiredness seems to be the overall impression the report gve and a lot of Ukrainian soldiers marriages breaking down etc. which you can understand with time away from 1 another PTSD etc.

    To be fair they probably are right they should be put on total war footing. Have all your industry focused on the war effort and have total mobilisation of your people to end Russia in your country once and for all. Ask the EU and America to provide them if they do that with anything they can't then do themselves as there gone full on war footing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭McGiver


    Putin is just a tip of an iceberg of the whole Kremlin kleptocratic mafia apparatus, one of many. The system is the problem, not the man. It's a mafia state, there's many gangsters who can run the gang available.

    Remove Putin, another candidate will be put in place. There's a small chance that Kremlin factions would use the transition to purge some of the other factions and e.g. blame all military defeats on them. This could change the course of the war, but it's not guaranteed.

    Indeed thinking that the Russian regime is about Putin is incorrect. It's common in Western European circles in countries which didn't have any experience with Russian invasions and/or occupations.

    Some experts on Russia, including some dissident Russian emigrants, speak very depressive stuff about the posibility of any positive changes in Russia. Many of them say that successors of Putin could be much worse than him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    To be fair negative changes for Russia could be positive for Ukraine

    It took Putin 15 years to consolidate control and start on Crimea

    Whoever replaces him might be a tad bit too busy keep the whole ****show together



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'm not so sure about that...I understand where you are coming from, but from day 1, once Yeltsin handed over the reins of power ( and consigned himself to the dustbin of history, even though his term still had some time to run.) Putin made it clear that the New Boss had arrived, and was in charge. The first thing he did to consolidate his power, was to take out the most powerful of the Oligarchs, Khodorkovsky. He had him arrested and after a very public trial, and locked him up for 10 years ( ?? ) This had the desired effect, and when he called a meeting of the Oligarchs and informed them that either things would change, or they would find themselves sharing a cell with Khodorkovsky, they voted unanimously for change. There after, I believe that he built an organization around him, but he was the undisputed and unassailable boss, a position that he holds to the present day. Otherwise, I think that he would have been deposed when the negative financial effects of the war began to be felt by the Oligarchs / Silovicki. But Putin has built many layers of protection around himself. He's still king rat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, and neither will he have the same level of assets that Putin had prior to the invasion in Feb 2022. The economy is failing, and at this stage opposition to the war has top bubbling away beneath the surface, no matter what kind of rosy picture Putin's spin doctors try to put on it. Thats why he postponed a planned mobilization until after the presidential elections next year. The fact that he had to do that indicates that rigged election or not, he's worried.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    More than likely complacency more than anything gave away the medal ceremony, absolutely should not have happened where and when it did ,



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,421 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    If 50% of any population that had bank loans defaulted and refused to pay back it'd be very serious.

    A quiet opposition and two fingers to the regime?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,963 ✭✭✭kevthegaff




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,421 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Perhaps they already were or left the country. 😄



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭McGiver


    For sure, it's a mafia system, he's the gang leader, he played it well. The thing is that a Russian man will tolerate lot of hardship (and can't know the actual Russian losses in the war), so the economic aspect will unlikely topple Putin directly. It would need to be very strong and the only potential outcome of that is some sort of a coup by the Siloviki, not by oligarchs not by a popular revolt (sci-fi in Russia). And that's what the int'l sanctions are likely targeting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭jmreire


    It was the Silovicki that Putin used to tame the Oligarchs. They are all old friends from his KGB days, and form his main support. Still, the Oligarchs' are pretty powerful too. Hard to know who or what will remove him, in the end, could be just something as simple and unavoidable as Father Time, the old guy with the scythe.😎



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭McGiver


    One thing regarding "democracy" in Russia etc.

    Democracy is completely foreign concept to Russian society, Russian society was and is feudal in essence - the ruling class and the peasants. The peasants just get on with their lives and don't interefere or care about the ruling class. The Russian psyche is that of resignation, passivity and fatalism. Russian society is collectivist, just like Asian societies, but with its own specifics. Simply put, Russian society and culture is not European or compatible with European liberal democracy. The West always thought of Russia as European country & society and that's the core issue - successive Russian tsars tried to appear European by using mimicry, but in essence they never were and are not even today. It's a different civilisation and failure to understand that is the root of the many of the mistakes made by the West, including trying to built relationship through trade hoping that Russia becomes a "normal country" (Merkel's/German plan really). And including not responding to the 2014 war and annexation of Crimea. All of that is stemming from this incorrect reading of what Russia actually is.

    Each iteration of the Russian tsars represents an evolution of the very same ideas upon which Imperial Russia was built centuries ago, the imperialist history of Russia which started 300+ years ago. Gorbachev & Yeltsin were a small aberation. But even Yeltsin waged imperialist and very brutal First Chechen War. Country spanning millions of sq km and 11 time zones comitting genocide over retaining a 15 thousand sq km country. So we're really down to Gorbachev as the only reasonable leader Russia has ever had in centuries, who I believe was a product of unique and very specific circumstances that are unlikely to repeat. That someone reasonable (not an imperialist and "European" thinking) will come after Putin is extremely unlikely, the history of Russia only goes one way, the trajectory is clear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭McGiver


    The oligarchs are like local/regional gang leaders. Not enough power IMHO and they'll never be united. All the power lies in Kremlin with the KGB/Siloviki.

    Regardless, his days are numbered, whether he dies naturally or by drinking polonium tea or falling out of the window...



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    At least Ukrainians can look towards a brighter future for their kids unlike the Russians who are currently content with serfdom and blood sacrifice of their young sons and husbands all to show the “west” how different Russians are,

    except we view them for what they are; colonisers stuck in a 19th century mindset at best, hordes of uncultured barbarians at worst



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,741 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Putin is an FSB puppet. If they decide he is no longer useful someone else will be installed. This idea that if only Putin leaves office a progressive will take over is woefully naive of how Russian is effectively a mafia state bigger than any one man



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭zv2


    True but if Putin goes the FSB may decide more war is not in their interest. They can then put the blame on Putin and pull out.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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