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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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    #27602
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 11,063 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336098#Comment_121336098

    You have to admire him in a way. He's always been full of crap, still is full of crap and will always be full of crap. All the hallmarks of a very successful conman. A remarkable human being.



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    #27603
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,549 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336582#Comment_121336582

    He's a cultural turd that floated to the surface buoyed by his millionaire father. There's nothing to admire here.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #27604
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,325 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336632#Comment_121336632

    I wouldn't admire, no, but there is something magnetic about Trump all the same that will be explored & dissected once he dies and (hopefully) America moves on. There is a charisma at work here 'cos you see similar rhetoric from someone like Ron DeSantic yet that alleged human being's total absence of X Factor or charisma means he's an irrelevancy and singularly unelectable.

    The con-man is by design a compelling, almost seductive character who can pull a mark into their web, even while intellectually the victims know it's too good to be true. Obama & Kennedy had it as well, albeit coming less from a manipulative, bullying corner.



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    #27605
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 11,063 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336632#Comment_121336632

    Ah come now - surely give some credit where it is due. He may be as you say a 'cultural turd .. buoyed by his millionaire father'.

    But staying afloat with his crap & bluster is a talent. He is really very good at communicating his message and persuading others against all their better judgement to go along with his speel and schemes.



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    #27606
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,549 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336653#Comment_121336653
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336660#Comment_121336660

    I thought this was the CA forum when I wrote that.

    He's charismatic but the USA is a country full of that sort anyway. Think of Homeopaths, anti-vaxxers, climate deniers, holocaust deniers, mega preachers, pyramid schemes and the other myriad nonsense that only works there because of their admiration for charisma. It's a talent but it's a talent in a country where there's already plenty of it anyway.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #27607
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,290 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336660#Comment_121336660

    Just like a street dealer is able to hawk their fake rolexs and convince the rubes that their knock offs are genuine, trump is no different in character



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    #27608
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 11,063 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336653#Comment_121336653

    Indeed, some people have it. Most don't. Even those who are good at manipulating others, get tripped up. But Trump has been really successful at spinning his persona across many sectors - business, public and politics. That the nature & foundations of his business empire are being shown to be rotten and based on gross exaggeration, shows us that the establishment have had enough and this is the slippery slope.



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    #27609
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336660#Comment_121336660

    Preying on stupid and vulnerable people as someone's "talent" isn't an admirable thing though. The man is an absolute wretch. Trump and people like Trump are sociopathic creeps with a fanatical devotion to only themselves who use the desperate and mentally challenged to further their own gains. To admire something like that is to let oneself down.

    Sure it's all fascinating, especially if you're not directly affected by his odious works. But fascination and admiration are two different things entirely. And if there's any worth in Trumpism, it serves to shine a light on other little venal shitbags in US politics who scamper around his table hoping for some crumbs to come their way.

    In any case, save your admiration for someone who deserves it.



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    #27610
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    If anyone says they admire Trump for basically being a bully that refuses to ever apologise for anything (including getting the name of a city he’s in wrong), or admires him for his bullheadedness, after we know he was found liable for sexual assault, then to go on THE NEXT DAY to say she made it up…

    well,


    I think I can form an opinion on that person and it is not a favourable one.



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    #27611
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336582#Comment_121336582

    He’s a rapist.

    You are here saying you admire a rapist.

    Look at yourself in the mirror for God’s sakes.



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    #27612
    Brief_Lives
    Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Is the rapist/racist/conman/liar on the stand again today?



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    #27613
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭amandstu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337064#Comment_121337064

    They should put that question in those polls they do

    1: Do you agree that DT is a rapist

    2:Would you vote for a rapist as President of the USA?



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    #27614
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,325 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336753#Comment_121336753

    I would note that while Trump's persona has given him leeway to grift his way through life, I'd stop short at calling anything he has done "successful". Personality will only take you so far and given the slew of failures through the years if he didn't have his Daddy's real estate portfolio and a natural, chummy landscape that gives soft landings to the "right" people, Trump might have been on skid row long ago. He's arguably a dreadful businessman and I'd be genuinely curious to know of a venture of his that has been successful in its own right.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336669#Comment_121336669

    Undoubtedly; he's not Best in Class in terms of the kind of grifter that as you note, America seems primed to cultivate. But just in terms of looking at things such as the polls and wondering How the Fúck is Trump still in the lead?, it's instructive to appreciate how the guy operates.



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    #27615
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,549 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337209#Comment_121337209

    Sure, but that's the USA for you. Roy Moore, a convicted hebephile lost an election by a hair's breadth after being found out.

    Most people over there are either voting red or blue in a habitual manner or, given America's spectacularly f*cked up history or racism, couldn't care less what Trump is or has been convicted of.

    I'm also not sure how valuable polls are now. We're about a year away and a lot can happen between now and then.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #27616
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336528#Comment_121336528

    She is clearly terrified about getting asked a question that she can't wriggle out of that puts her back in legal jeopardy.

    She is trying desperately (and failing miserably) to get the family stink off her and unlike the others she has money that isn't tied to Trump from Kushners "dealings" so she could in theory survive without Daddy , but only if she can get out of the blast zone which she is finding very hard to do.



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    #27617
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 11,063 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337064#Comment_121337064

    Take your outrage elsewhere. Just like the other thread you like to bang on in, I'd remind you that it's perfectly reasonable for others to have differing views.

    I didn't say I'd admired Trump the rapist - that's you trying to put words into anothers mouth - not good enough. You also seem to have zero ability to detect irony..

    My admiration for Trump extends to his extraordinary ability to influence so many people against their better judgement. Whether you like this trait or not, it is remarkable and worthy of note.



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    #27618
    Brief_Lives
    Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337404#Comment_121337404

    like scientology or stockholm syndrome?



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    #27619
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's far less about "admiration" and more a grudging recognition of an ability or skill.

    Without question he has a talent for getting people to buy into his bullshit and for seemingly being able to "connect" with peoples perceived pain-points.

    He absolutely targets their worst and basest fears , but he manages to resonate with them.

    That is a skill that has to be acknowledged , dismissing him as a horrible moron is a mistake that has been made far too often.



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    #27620
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,549 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337456#Comment_121337456

    I think it's important to consider the context. Millions of Americans have spend decades imbibing the disinformation of Fox News. All Trump really did was repeat the same lies without the pretence of being respectable.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #27621
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,290 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337404#Comment_121337404

    And Harold Shipman did wonders for population control /s



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    #27622
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 11,063 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337482#Comment_121337482

    So, maybe you try the same trick? Or can you suggest other individualspublic figures/ politicians who could pull off what he's managed in his business and political career?



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    #27623
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,290 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337590#Comment_121337590

    Bearing in mind his current civil trial, What exactly has he accomplished in his business career?



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    #27624
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337404#Comment_121337404

    I’m not putting words in your mouth, you are.

    You’ve said more than once you admire Trump.

    Trump is a rapist.

    Ergo,

    You admire Trump the Rapist.

    They cannot be separated. A judge has said he committed rape. He will forever be regarded as a rapist as much as he will be remembered as being a president. That you think those two facts can be separated says more about you.

    There is nothing worthy of note in what the man has done. His history as a rapist has washed that away.



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    #27625
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,421 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337404#Comment_121337404

    My admiration for Trump extends to his extraordinary ability to influence so many people against their better judgement.

    Like the way he forcibly influenced his tiny hands into E Jean Carrol?



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    #27626
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337627#Comment_121337627

    He bankrupted a casino. That’s some accomplishment to be fair.



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    #27627
    RavenBea17b
    Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336171#Comment_121336171

    She is her fathers daughter, he appears to be expert at putting people under a bus - perhaps she will do the same and act as he has.



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    #27628
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,555 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Ivanka will definitely throw her two brothers under the bus and if I had to guess she will throw her father under it as well if it means she gets away scott free without incriminating herself in any way.



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    #27629
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,670 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337279#Comment_121337279

    To be fair, he lost by a hair's breadth in Alabama, which indicates a fairly hefty swing all the same.

    But yeah, I suspect a large chunk of the population neither know nor care who exactly is on the ballot.



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    #27630
    Furze99
    Registered Users Posts: 11,063 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337680#Comment_121337680

    Well if that's your primary problem with the Donald, that he's wont to have his way with women, I think you need to consider that he's in the company of many. While distasteful it hardly marks him out as unusual?

    The vast majority of those who share this trait couldn't remotely hope to emulate him.

    That's the problem with some posters here, it's either all or nothing for them as regards Trump. Good or evil, day or night, yin or yang. Life is more complex than that and I suggest you lift your eyes out of the mundane and give Trump the grudging acknowledgement that he warrants.



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    #27631
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121337823#Comment_121337823

    You realise we’re talking about rape here, yes? Forcible penetration against a woman’s will.

    And you can excuse that?

    It beggars belief that this poster thinks being a rapist is in any way common.

    Utterly disgusting post.



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