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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,063 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Don't be putting words into my mouth.. I've seen how you operate elsewhere.

    Do you understand the difference between noting objectionable behaviour and excusing it?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,549 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Rape is distasteful? This is why we still need feminism.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,421 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    'lads, being a rapist isn't that unusual'

    Did I receive that right



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    No offence here, but it's possible that you may need to look up what "admiration" means. Something can, indeed, be remarkable and worthy of note. But to admire something is to greet it with great respect and an approval. Trump and his dubious "talents"* aren't worthy of that at all.

    By the way promising desperate and stupid people the sun, moon and stars isn't an "extraordinary ability".



    *I'd argue that the man is actually talentless, but has rode a long wave of bizarrely good fortune, up to an including his farcical political career.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Hoop66




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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


     that he's wont to have his way with women


    is that you trying to downplay rape?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I think it was in Game of Thrones where I read the term “low cunning “, I think it sums up Trump (I’d also liken him to the typical give it but can’t take loud mouth bully).



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,967 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Hand waving away rape because other people have done it.... ive read some disgusting opinions on her but this is definitely up there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I think you have a problem understanding your own posts and how they come across.

    Lets break dawn your last one.

    Well if that's your primary problem with the Donald, that he's wont to have his way with women, I think you need to consider that he's in the company of many.

    Trump is a rapist. What is coming across here is that you think that Trump having “his way with women” is somehow consensual. It was not in this case E. Jean Carroll. He raped her.

    ”he’s in the company of many” alludes to you thinking that men often rape women, or maybe it’s just powerful men that often rape women.

    The vast majority of those who share this trait couldn't remotely hope to emulate him

    What trait are you talking about? The trait of raping women? You should be clearer here. He is no Lothario, he’s a rapist. Emulate what exactly?


    That's the problem with some posters here, it's either all or nothing for them as regards Trump.

    Yes, especially when it comes to him being a rapist.

    Good or evil, day or night, yin or yang. Life is more complex than that and I suggest you lift your eyes out of the mundane and give Trump the grudging acknowledgement that he warrants.

    It really isn’t complex sometimes. Trump is a rapist. You support/admire Trump. You support/admire a violator of women, a rapist.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I've come to believe that what's happening here is not that they "Don't care" as such. It's that they either don't know or simply don't believe the information.

    So it's not that they "don't care" that Trump is a Rapist or that Roy Moore is a Hebophile it's that they simply don't believe that to be the case.

    Fox News et al have invested decades indoctrinating Republican voters to simply dismiss anything they hear from anywhere other than the "trusted" sources.

    So I don't believe that these people are happy to vote for a Rapist , they simply don't believe he is one and no amount of evidence will dissuade them of that unless and until one of their "trusted" sources tells them it's true.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,290 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    I'm more than aware of that, however the poster which I was replying to seems to think he's achieved much in business so there must be something I'm missing



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,596 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Don't think that is true. After Jan 6th, Fox news did start to err on the side that Trump was responsible and that he was a beaten docket. Cue Fox being called out as biased!

    They are choosing not to believe as that gives them a get out on having to explain why they continue to support him. Far easier to simply dismiss all the negative stuff than having to admit that despite it all you would much rather be "A Russian than a Democrat."



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,421 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    wrong thread

    Post edited by Overheal on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,670 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't think it matters what anyone tells him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,415 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,040 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I don't know. I don't think so. How many times have we heard variations of "You're obsessed". One of the latest posts by one of his cultists in the "political humour" thread is simply just stating he hasn't been convicted yet. I have said many times before that if there is one thing better than being innocent of a crime, it is "Getting away with it". To them. As long as it pwns the libtards.

    When was the last time you heard his cultists claim he was innocent? You only have to look at the last couple of pages.

    So they accept he is a Rapist. They accept that he is, in fact, a serial sexual predator. They accept he supports white supremacists. They accept that he tried to steal an election. They accept that he suggested assassination of a political rival. They accept that he calls veterans losers. They accept that he trusts dictators and leaders of hostile nations over his own people. We know fir a FACT that they accept these because ALL of these, bar the rape verdict were straight from his own mouth. And yet they accept him. Fob off these as minor things. Never forget that his cultists came on here celebrating the fact he was "only" found guilty of sexual assault. That they considered this a win!!! A WIN!


    So I don't think there is an ignorance. There is an acceptance as long as it annoys "Woke (tm) libtards".

    And that tells you all you need to know about their moral compass.


    Edit: fixed typo and clarified where a post was made



  • Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭Stanley 1


    $400m father and he proceeded to mess about with sibling's inheritance, bankrupted 6 times



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,063 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Oh would you go away with your moral outrage. Yes Trump is a terrible man, he treats women like crap but what's new in the world. And it's quite irrelevant to my point, it's something you dragged in to try and muddy the waters and cast aspersions at other posters. Standard stuff that debases Boards.

    I'm no fan of Donald Trump but I'm quite big enough to recognise that he has had a remarkable career and a public life that very few can attain.

    The fact that you & others can't appreciate this speaks more to your small world of inward thinking backed up by confirmation bias from fellow travellers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I am not outraged. I don’t know where you are getting that from. I have had enough run ins with you to know our moral compasses are vastly different. Thank goodness for that.

    I would love to know why you feel the need to say you’re no fan of Donald Trump, and yet a few hours ago you were here proselytising about “how you have to admire him.”

    I don’t and I won’t.

    There’s treating women like crap and there’s raping them. That you think they are comparable is disgusting.

    Imagine being a rape survivor and reading your post? Imagine how those women would feel?

    Your posts disgust me and hopefully most civil people. I hope it is your internet persona and you are not like this in real life. I have never met anyone who was a rape apologist before in real life, and I doubt those that know you hold this view.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,415 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "There's something wrong with you if you can't you admire a rapist" is quite the take....



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    And it's quite irrelevant to my point, it's something you dragged in to try and muddy the waters

    This line is hilarious.

    ”Say what you want about Harold Shipman, but he cut down the time it took to see a doctor”

    or

    “Say what you want about Fred West, he knew how to lay a good patio”

    😂😂😂

    You can’t separate the fact Trump is a rapist from whatever business you thought he was good in. You cannot use the fact he was (allegedly) good at business for excusing him of rape.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,607 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The gist of this current conversation ^^^



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,361 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Could you detail specifically what about Trump's career you admire? Bearing in mind the following (taken from Times Magazine https://time.com/3988970/donald-trump-business/ ) This is not an exhaustive list.

    Some Trump failures (as well as 6 bankruptcies and having been sued some 4000 times)

    Trump Airlines

    In 1988, Trump bought Eastern Air Shuttle, an airline service that ran hourly flights between Boston, NYC and DC for 27 years prior, for $365 million. He turned the airline, once a no frills operation, into a luxury experience...The company never turned a profit ...It ceased to exist in 1992.

    Trump Vodka

    Trump unveiled his own vodka line in 2006 ...The company stopped production in 2011, reportedly due to a lack of interest.

    Trump Casinos

    Trump Entertainment Resorts, which is composed of three Trump-owned casinos, all in Atlantic City, filed for bankruptcy for the fourth time in 2014.

    Trump: The Game

    Trump launched a Monopoly-like board game in 1989, which was discontinued a year later due to lack of interest. He tried his hand at game making once again in 2005, when he launched an updated version tied to The Apprentice. It was also discontinued.

    Trump Magazine

    Trump launched an eponymous magazine in 2007... A year and a half after the launch, the magazine ceased publication.

    Trump Steaks

    ... discontinued...

    GoTrump.com

    Trump launched this luxury travel search engine in 2006, only to shut it down a year later, despite being powered by booking giant Travelocity.

    Trump University

    In 2005, Trump opened the non-accredited, for-profit Trump University. In 2010, four students sued the university for “offering classes that amounted to extended ‘infomercials.’” Following the suit, the “university” changed its name to “The Trump Entrepreneur Initiative,” before ending operations one year later. In 2013, the New York Attorney General sued Trump and the “university” for $40 million for allegedly defrauding students.

    Trump Mortgage

    In 2006, ... mortgage company (was launched). ... Trump Mortgage shut down within a year and a half, in part because Trump selected E.J. Ridings, a man who claimed to be a top executive at a prestigious investment bank but had actually only worked on Wall Street as a registered broker for six days, to run the company.

    To be fair, he does have some six hotel and residential developments that have been successful, plus The Apprentice tv show, his business methods may have been suspect and he may have run small businesses into the ground by not paying his bills, but he does have some real estate to show for it. He has also been sued some 4,000 times - detailed in a lengthy article here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump#:~:text=From%20the%201970s%20until%20he,over%20100%20business%20tax%20disputes.

    He has certainly had a remarkable career, many people remark on it, few with admiration.

    Even fewer would wish to 'attain' a similar career, you evidently would, could you explain why?



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,421 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,361 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I did say the list was not exhaustive 😀



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,544 ✭✭✭amandstu


    It seems to me that the poster who says he admires certain things about Trump has gone out of his way to avoid actually saying the word "rapist",alluding to it with some odd circumlocutions.

    Hear no evil ,speak no evil.

    Unless he is actually OK with raping.I mean ,perhaps he is right and it is common and forgivable.

    Maybe there could even be mitigating circumstances if you are wealthy and have a bad opinion of women in the first place.

    I don't think he has paid his fine yet ,has he?

    Maybe @Furze99 could set up a crowdfunding page for the rugged hero.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,040 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    And the age old...

    Mussolini got the trains on time.

    Look it up



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,549 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The rapist didn't accomplish a single thing as president. Not one. Just one f*ck up after another.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,967 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Say what you want but the Nazis built some amazing roads....



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,040 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Agreed but it's the usual trumpist cultist thing. The "Butrumps "but Trump only did what X did" (yep. Right. Please give example. "Well, y'know. Pizzagate. Clinton and aliens eating children but JFK jnr (RIP) and trump are waging war on them" (actually what they believe)). Or the "Trumpbuts" which always begins with "I'm no fan of Trump, but....." this is not some new revelation I came up with. This is a pretty obvious observation that so many have come up with. Most here have come up with same observations... for at least 2 years. Have a look back through the last few pages. As I say, not rocket surgery. Not exactly a revelation and not claiming to be. EVERYONE knows when an "I'm not a fan of The Dolald" Monologue starts, the very next word is


    BUT



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