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Munster Team Talk Thread - New season title pending....

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    #20252
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Kleyn put himself at risk as soon as he switched to SA

    He's definitely a safer option than Snyman

    Was listening to Newstalk on way to work

    Hard to believe he only has 10 appearances for us



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    #20253
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336044#Comment_121336044

    Keeping Snyman would be a complete folly even if possible.

    Id' be surprised if Kleyn was not offered a new contract. He may simply want to go abroad. Could see the length of the contract offered by Munster being an issue alright though.



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    #20254
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    i think we'll lose both players



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    #20255
    Brief_Lives
    Registered Users Posts: 3,102 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    I reckon that this is just agents spiel. the usual contract rubbish.

    Kleyn has put down roots here. built a house. But with 2 NIQ south african second rows. we will probably lose RG. Lets hope he changes the second half of the season like he did for us last year.



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    #20256
    ulsteru20s
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    I think Munster will def offer him a competitive contract. The variable is if the irfu ok it.



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    #20257
    Buer
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    I'd be very surprised if there was any issue with the retention of Kleyn. It would be an idiotic move by the IRFU if they blocked it. He's an important player to Munster in the prime of his career. They have young talent coming through but that's what it is...young talent. EOC, Edogbo and Ahern are great prospects but have a combined 45 minutes of European rugby (all Ahern from the bench).

    I would imagine that Kleyn wants to stay also. Wife and house here as well as his own family having moved to the UK and Ireland in recent years. The only fly in the ointment could be another team offering him money that's too good to say no to and taking a 3 year deal there to set himself up financially. It's unlikely that the IRFU or Munster are going to be able to offer him that same level of compensation.



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    #20258
    phog
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    There is no reason other than the IRFU being cagey that Kleyn couldn't be offered a 3 year deal.



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    #20259
    clsmooth
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    Just saw that RG is having the surgery in South Africa. Would that be under South Africa’s medical team or would Munster not have preferred to send him to a local specialist? Would have thought that injuries are usually assessed by your club and managed and rehabbed by them. Perhaps they preferred to have him get it done ASAP whilst he’s still on his downtime in SA post World Cup?



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    #20260
    RichieRich_89
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    Kleyn should be getting a central contract. Having a World Cup winner around to impart his wisdom and confidence would be a big boost to one of the Provinces.



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    #20261
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121338473#Comment_121338473

    Do you ever get tired of your shtick?



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    #20262
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121338442#Comment_121338442

    It is reasonably unusual but not unprecedented. I suspect on a personal level it is easier for him to have it in SA, but it doesn't exactly speak volumes about his commitment to Munster.

    I suppose in theory it is possible Munster preferred him to get it done asap there.



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    #20263
    phog
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121338713#Comment_121338713

    His commitment to Munster?

    I'm not a betting man but I'd put money on the IRFU ending his time at Munster rather than Snyman ending his time here.



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    #20264
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339023#Comment_121339023

    I'm sure they will but Munster would be fools to offer him a new contract anyway (albeit if it is coming from private funds its no skin off their nose I guess).

    He has more minutes for South Africa than Munster since he joined.



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    #20265
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 24,314 ✭✭✭✭phog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339033#Comment_121339033

    That's a different story altogether. His game time with Munster had nothing to do with his commitment to the province or are you insinuating he faked his injuries



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    #20266
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339045#Comment_121339045

    It is not a personal sleight on the man. But his focus is clearly on South Africa and I do not blame him for that. This is the problem with recruiting tier 1 internationals.

    Obviously he waited til after the world cup for surgery, as anyone would. Though having it in SA is a bit odd. But it also clearly not a good investment for Munster.



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    #20267
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339033#Comment_121339033

    It depends on how you value minutes. He was really good in the final.

    If kitshoff only plays in knockout wins for us i’ll take it.



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    #20268
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339100#Comment_121339100

    Ulster know better than anyone the pitfalls with bringing in South African internationals...



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    #20269
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339099#Comment_121339099

    Surely questioning someone's commitment is a sleight on the man tho, Podge?



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    #20270
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339115#Comment_121339115

    True.

    I do think we value elite play wrongly though. The regular season in rugby is a seeding exercise. That’s it. The point of signing someone like snyman is knockout rugby. That worked out in the end.



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    #20271
    phog
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339099#Comment_121339099

    All this is true but I'm really missing the point you made earlier about his commitment to Munster.

    We (Ireland) don't have m/any International players playing abroad anymore, the most recent being Sexton.

    When he was playing for Racing I can't recall anyone commenting on his commitment to Racing while he continued to play for Ireland and pick up injuries that ruled him out for club and country.



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    #20272
    mun1
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    Do mods get to troll on the munster thread now ?



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    #20273
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339239#Comment_121339239

    Mod: Back-seat modding / attacking the poster.



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    #20274
    ersatz
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339170#Comment_121339170

    It's worth considering what we think we are getting from NIQ players. Some, like Snyman who has 2 WC medals in his pocket belong to an older idea that you bring proven winners to inspire the group, establish high levels of professionalism and mentor younger players. This was a foundational strategy for Irish rugby and brought some very important influences to the provinces, Nacewa, Thorn, Howlett, Pienaar, Vermuelen, etc. And of course we've always had a need for big second rows. But more recently we've had less of these types of players, partly because we have caught up in the pro stakes and partly because we produce better players. More recently we've brought in younger players who are established but fewer former and current internationals, partly because we want them available during international windows. Anyway, Snyman is a bit anachronistic and entering his third season of being unavailable through injury you'd wonder what's the point.



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    #20275
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339170#Comment_121339170

    I mean he had clauses in his contract to attend Irish training sessions. He was 100% more committed to Ireland than Racing and I'm fairly sure they thought so too.

    This should not be confused with questioning his commitment while playing. But I think investing in Tier 1 active internationals, particularly SH ones, is a terrible idea for all of the provinces.



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    #20276
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 24,314 ✭✭✭✭phog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339340#Comment_121339340

    Again, all that can be true but it fails to explain how you think RGS commitment to Munster is anything less than any other player we've signed.

    If he wasn't injured and featured for us since his arrival we wouldn't (shouldn't) be having this discussion.

    All the coaches & players that have talked about RG during the period of his injuries have talked about how professional & positive he was and how influential he was with other players.

    I really fail to see how you can question his commitment to Munster.



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    #20277
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339170#Comment_121339170

    You weren't reading many French message boards then.



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    #20278
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339501#Comment_121339501

    Again, all that can be true but it fails to explain how you think RGS commitment to Munster is anything less than any other player we've signed.

    Because he's an active Tier 1 international. I think the same would be true of any of them. It's not a good investment and there is a reason the provinces don't tend to go in that direction.



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    #20279
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 24,314 ✭✭✭✭phog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339547#Comment_121339547

    It's not the French that's questioning RG's commitment



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    #20280
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,420 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339603#Comment_121339603

    We signed him as an Active Tier 1 RWC winning international.

    He's still an active Tier 1 RWC winning international

    We now have 3 of them in the 2nd row, and could well see Ahern step up to international duty this season with Edogbo also on the radar. As long as we have some cover for the short international windows and can maintain the power and quality we need for the knockouts, I don't think any Munster fans would see that as a bad thing, especially with the potential for having a 3 lock pack to call on when we need them



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    #20281
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 24,314 ✭✭✭✭phog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121339603#Comment_121339603

    Ah come on, that's back peddling at best.

    He's committed to Munster and plays for international rugby just like any other international player, that's why there are international windows.

    The fact he has more minutes for SA than Munster is not down to his commitment it's solely down to injuries.



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