Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

At the risk of making your head explode, could you have a think and let us know how Israel are creating and controlling the lists of people who are allowed to leave Gaza and enter Egypt?

Yes I do think it was fair.

The UN voted for it after all, so I guess they thought it was fair.

Lastly, referencing British attempts to stop Jewish migration meant that many more Jews died in the death camps. In today's world, a policy like that would be mana from heaven from the likes of UKIP and the BNP. Yet, many left-wingers side with this policy?

No legally binding outcome or court ruling has been made in any of these. Let's see the ICJ ruling until then --- it's just noise from ther Arabic countries.

There is no anti-Jewish sentiment in Ireland. That is hyperbolic. There is a complex long running reason why Ireland and the general Irish populace have sympathies with Palestine, especially in the north.

I still remember watching the RUC and Army kicking in the door of my friends house on several occasions just because his dad worked with Republicans, even my own door was kicked in without reason twice. Once when I was 5 and another time when I was 7, both times on my way to school. There was never any reason given and as a child it was terrifying. I had soldiers look down their sights at me on regular occasion, my schoolbags searched, insults thrown at me, all as a child. Many of us remember things like this.

Then you look at Palestine. All the bullshit we went through on a daily basis is a good day for them. They are being forcibly removed, beaten, interred without trial, guilty by association, shot with the latest and most advanced weaponry for throwing stones. They're all terrorists in the eyes of the IDF, just as we were in the eyes of the RUC.

Not once have I experienced or seen anything remotely anti-semitic in Ireland, anti-Israeli occupation? Sure, in bucketloads and there's absolutely nothing wrong with holding that position. Plenty of Irish have spend time in the region on peacekeeping or as volunteers to help those that needed it.

As was most post WW1 nationalism.

Our own nationalism was reactionary, theocratic and mono cultural too for that matter.

Show me evidence of any large number of people celebrating what Hamas done in Ireland. Stop engaging in smear campaigns against people who don't agree with the Israeli response.

There were some Israeli soldiers and police found dead in civilian Kibbutz areas and buildings on 7th Oct.........................does that retroactively make the Israeli civilians who were killed legitimate targets?

That's your logic!

They arent.

It's a myth that Israel controls who leaves and enters the Rafah gate.

You should read your own links

"The United Nations, international human rights organizations and many legal scholars regard the Gaza Strip to still be under military occupation by Israel.[5] This is disputed by Israel and other legal scholars.[6] Following the withdrawal, Israel continues to maintain direct control over Gaza's air and maritime space, six of Gaza's seven land crossings, maintains a no-go buffer zone within the territory, controls the Palestinian population registry, and Gaza remains dependent on Israel for its water, electricity, telecommunications, and other utilities.[5][7]"

that’s very cynical to say isn’t it. This isn’t their own control this is assimilation as second class citizens under Israel’s Jewish nation state laws.

No, you were claiming other post WW1 nationalism was expressly diverse etc etc. This is nonsense.

What are you on about. You were going on about defeating National Socialism. It was not, contrary to your shallow theory, defeated as an ideology militarily. It was defeated by understanding how to treat the aftermath of the military defeat.

National Socialism did not spontaneously arise out of just antisemitism. The Israelis like to portray themselves as having a monopoly on victimhood due to National Socialism, but they didn't. Not by a long shot. But that is a different topic.

It is quite likely that if a different path had been taken, instead of the humiliation from Versailles, that Europe would not have ended up where it did subsequently. If you want to "simplify" it to "It was all just because the Germans hated Jews" then you can.

If you were a Palestinian, would you hate your oppressors? Quite likely. It would be more likely due to that generational oppression than what prayers they say or don't. Surely you can understand that?

I'm no fan of Dev's but his reasons for going to visit the German ambassador (he never signed a book of condolence btw) had absolutely nothing to do with anti-Semitism. It was a crass and idiotic gesture of course but it was mainly more to do with the fact that he had bad relations with both Churchill and Roosevelt and was trying to hammer home Ireland's neutrality.

What makes you think they have no power?

I dont think I claimed that per say. I claimed that Arab Nationalism was not 'nice', thats all.