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How often do you/can you change your mind on a topic?

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  • 07-11-2023 11:28pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭


    Reading some of the threads here. Wildly interesting, but a few of them I notice some posters can not change their mind on their opinions, when confronted with very valid reasons and or proof.

    And yes, they are just opinions.

    But some posters here, can present some very logical arguments, i definitely find myself being swayed.


    Have you folks been able to modify your opinions on certain arguments?

    does it depend if you are younger or older?

    I am curious.


    *Mods, wasn't sure whether to put this here or After Hours.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I'd definitely only ever change my mind once on a topic.


    Although now I think of it, it might be twice.


    Actually it could be three times.


    No, no, I was right the first time. Only once. That's definite. 100%.


    Or maybe it's never. That one would be handier. Never. You won't find me changing my mind on anything. Too stubborn



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,489 ✭✭✭✭Overheal



    /thread, tbh



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    People who are authoritarian personality types will change their mind but rarely admit to it

    People who are flakey personality types will often find it hard to commit to any position and defend it when challenged

    The flakey people will think they're more reasonable, almost by definition, in that they can be reasoned into almost anything, but what good is that if you can be immediately reasoned back out of it, even with poor quality arguments?

    At the end of the day, all humans are flawed bags of walking contradictions and you should never meet your heroes



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    As a professional contrarian I change my mind whenever the public change theirs



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I've been able to change my mind on several things over the years. Growing up, I would have been far right without even knowing. I had a very sheltered childhood with parents who were (and still are) very racist. But once I fled the nest I began to realise that much of the world around me didn't see things the way I did, and I softened my stance on quite a few bits as a result; abortion and homosexuality being the two I can think of right away. If I'm given sensible, logical evidence that proves me wrong on something, then I'm more likely to change my view on it.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,613 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    As often as is justified based on what information I come across. Clinging desperately to some dogma or other just seems like a miserable way to live. Life is about change and evolution and, as much as I hanker for stability, it'd be pretty boring if nothing ever changed.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    If you are socialist at 20 you have no heart if you are still a socialist at 50 you have no brain.

    My views have mellowed and changed to the political center over decades with a growing disregard for far right and far left and their blind polarisation on most subjects that are often complex and contain a bit of both views



  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭j2


    I don't like to change my mind because it's kind of like admitting I was wrong, which I never am.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Definitely have changed my mind on certain topics. Eg younger me very much so bought into conspiracy theories but I just got a lot more discerning as time went on. Then other things I've become far less certain of. Eg if nuclear power makes sense in Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    I’ve never changed my opinion or mind on a single thing as a result of a message board , forum or social media website. I don’t really care about the opinions and beliefs of other people - especially random anons on the internet.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭notAMember



    Aren't you missing the rational thinkers in between those extremes? You've got the hardliners and the people who drift with the tide of populism.

    What about those who form an opinion based on the available information, and when more information is available they can critically reevaluate?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,226 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I read history and over the years I've changed my mind on numerous topics because better arguments and more evidence has been put my way. One has to allow one's mind to be changed, at least in part, based on what comes to light. Being staunchly rigid in an opinion or a position even when the evidence against both is overwhelming is just, frankly, a symbol of stupidity or simply an unreasonable fear of being viewed as "wrong" by one's previous fellow travellers or even by one's own self.

    Far too many people, these days, blithely pick a position (often with an abundance of ignorance on the topic) and then will argue to the death (including the death of their integrity) in defence of that position, no matter how untenable it is and, more often than not, it stems from their political views rather than any objective reading. And those political views are often handed down to them from elsewhere.

    This is especially prevalent in online "discussions" (which are often anything but) where you can see people bleat a whole host of absolute gibberish, change their lines in the sand and move the goalposts just to try an "win" something, even though there's nothing to actually win. I've seen that around here numerous times, where you'll have certain posters type reams and reams of complete drivel and then disappear when they have their arses handed to them, only to re-reg and try again under a different guise. This is, obviously, because the internet is anonymous and the web allows cranks of all colours to find a voice and a receptive ear. I would seriously doubt that you'd see a lot of the opinions expressed on Boards knocking about openly in the real world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,226 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Then why even bother coming to a site like this?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    I don’t mind reading other people’s opinions but they aren’t going to change my mind on anything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,217 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    It depends on the issue tbh. Economic policy? Certainly, show me evidence or a logical argument against my current position and I'll change that opinion quite quickly.

    Other topics such as universality of the rights for anyone to indulge in any activity that doesn't physically harm or endanger another person, society or the environment, or that Bertie Ahern* is a crook and that the best thing he could do for Ireland at this point would be to kill himself and save us the cost of his pension... I can't see changing any time soon.

    (* insert Boris Johnson if you're British or Donald Trump if you're American).



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Ken fukking ham..isn't that the gobsh1te that build noahs ark ?

    Wanna support genocide?Cheer on the murder of women and children?The Ruzzians aren't rapey enough for you? Morally bankrupt cockroaches and islamaphobes , Israel needs your help NOW!!

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    https://www.btselem.org/



  • Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭Ramasun


    I was against smacking children until I witnessed some really bad parenting recently and wished their parents were there to give them a slap in the head to cop the f*ck on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,708 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I'd pretty much fall within this range.

    I try and take in as much evidence as possible and then come to a position. Even more important than just "evidence" though?

    Is the quality of it. What weight or bias does one ascribe to their sources.

    One should of course be able to change their position if there is a paradigm shift. Holding a position that's untenable solely because of dogma never ends well.

    Post edited by banie01 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Flakey personally types? You mean people who wait for evidence before taking a strong position instead of spaffing off and reaching an immovable conclusion in the first instance. Yeah I can't stand people who wait for evidence either.

    Good rule of thumb though, Is people keep appearing to 'flakily' get reasoned into your way of thinking, then they're almost certainly plámásing you. Like when some pub-man has a conspiracy theory. I'd always encourage them to talk about it because it's interesting to watch someone be ridiculous in real life. And as part of plámásing them, I'd always appear to be interested in whatever guff they're on about and feign a "gawd, you've given me a lot to think about" attitude.

    It doesn't make any sense to argue with a stupid person in real life - that's what the internet is for.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yeah. Lots of people like to thnk they are open to reason and follow the best evidence all the time but we're all frail humans with unconscious biases.

    I didn't mean that there were two types of people, but people exist in the spectrum of stubborn vs flakey, both types will change their minds over their lifetime, it's just how they do it and how they justify those changes internally that are different.

    It's really the difference between Authoritarians and free thinkers. Some free thinkers are far too credulous and can be convinced too easily by anyone who sounds convincing, while Authoritarians tend to pick a side and go with that package of beliefs all in (even if that means supporting multiple contradictory positions all at the same time)

    I recommend 'the authoritarians' by Robert Altemyer



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Not necessarily. The 'flakiest' people can be convinced without any evidence, just by someone making a convincing argument or even just believing the last person they be spoke to on a given topic.

    Most people will critically evaluate their positions and will consider themselves rational. But the types of evidence that will convince different people can vary widely, and everyone has lower standards of evidence to believe something that fits into their pre existng world view



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,036 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    So one of the worst human flaws is the attachment of ego to our stated opinion. As soon as we state an opinion, we take ownership of it and thus we have a huge bias against breaking that opinion, despite any evidence that contradicts that opinion. It's why I loved the idea of 'proof by contradiction' when I first heard it in a math class as a kid. I think you can see it as the root to abusive relationships too, where the abuser cannot change their initial judgement of the abused, as to do so would require them to accept the shame and guilt of abusing an innocent victim, better to not change ones mind, than face the pain of growth.

    Realistically it's absolutely ridiculous to think that your opinion has any value to anybody except for yourself. Therefore changing it costs exactly nothing. However we are humans with egos, so I find the best solution to this problem is to suspend judgement until the last moment where you are forced to commit, that way at least you can maximize the time under judgment before you force yourself into a position and be trapped by your own ego.



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