Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

RFK Jnr say's Israel is an aircraft carrier in the middle east for them.

Do you mean the Jews who immigrated to Palestine before the State of Israel was established?

No, the Jews who returned to their homeland hundreds of years after their land was taken from them.

I have to say of all the mental gymnastics that are performed to justify the colonists, this one is the greatest. Some fat lump living in his mothers basement in Brooklyn gets bored with his life and decides to head for Israel, his "homeland". This cretin gets sponsored by the many "philanthropic" organisations set up to pay to drop this oaf into a families olive grove that they have farmed for hundreds of years. Are you genuinely trying to say that people like this are more entitled to the land than the farmer, because a book of fairy tales says so, even though the Palestinian the deeds to the property and the keys for the door.

I've linked to this about 6 times now at this point

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The content is below. The two points in bold are added here because someone yesterday tried to invalidate the whole post just because Israeli hostages weren't mentioned in the original post. So they are now, and of course if they're important enough to be considered as a separate step in moving forward, it's only fair Palestinian hostages are treated in the same way.

For Israel

1. Immediate ceasefire
2. Target Hamas leadership directly using Mossad
3. Call for international support to use sanctions to target Hamas funders
4. With draw from illegal settlements
5. Stop effective occupation of Gaza
6. Remove Nethanyahu
7. Show that they support a two state solution
8. Release all Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails without charge

For Palestine

1. Recover
2. Demand international support
3. Hold elections
4. Remove Hamas
5. Show that they support a two state solution
6. Release all hostages

For US

1. Demand an immediate and permanent ceasefire
2. Enforce sanctions to target Hamas funders
3. Support rebuild and development of Palestine
4. Show that they support a two state solution

For EU

1. Demand an immediate and permanent ceasefire
2. Enforce sanctions to target Hamas funders
3. Support rebuild and development of Palestine
4. Show that they support a two state solution

For UN

1. Remove abilities for countries to Veto resolutions
2. Enforce sanctions to target Hamas funders
3. Run elections in Gaza within 3 years
4. Prioritize a two state solution

Arguably you can say whatever the hell you like, no matter how stupid, and the american public will still make you president.

"My own, personal held belief is that Israel is handy for.people who are themselves antisemitic because they can go there. They can leave the rest alone and have their own space."

Can you clarify what you mean here? Your sentence on the surface seems a mess of contradictions.

They aren't colonists, they are taking back their ancient homeland.

Yes, and it is still full of holes.

Still no security guarantees - beyond 'support the two state solution,' without articulating the security guarantees that would be part of it.

How does Palestine remove Hamas? Vote them out?

Further, no mention of stopping rocket attacks from Palestine.

The equivalence between the prisoners in Israeli Jails and those kidnapped by Hamas is a stretch, but sure, release all the Palestinian prisoners who haven't been charged yet. I imagine if it comes to that, there'll be a lot of charges ginned up quickly in Israel.

The ongoing war crimes being committed by Hamas need to be addressed, hence the call for the release of the hostages.

The Egyptians control their border with the Gaza Strip. Presumably, they can let anyone leave the Strip who they want to let leave. So how would Israel be in a position to prevent people of any nationality crossing the border between the Strip and Egypt?

I've already suggested address the war crimes of Hamas. Go after the leaders, I've advocated for it. In a way that doesn't include collective punishment mind.

The ongoing war crimes being committed by Israel need to be addressed, hence the call for the release of the hostages.

Amnesty International, the UN, and many other organizations have decreed Israel's actions to be counter to international law.

Really? That's the best you have. Can you show me the documentary proof that a white, European settler has a direct lineage going back 2000 years to the exact spot where a Palestinian farm now exists. Can someone from Connacht arrive at Slane estate and set up camp on the premise that Cromwell evicted his ancestors and gave it to Mountcharles ancestors.

This is the problem when your whole argument is built on sand, you've jumped the shark. The I love Israel shill guide can't even come up with a answer for that one can it? It must eat at someones soul knowing they've nailed there colours to a mast that is fundamentally wrong and then have to come on a internet forum and spoof all day trying to defend the indefensible.

Problem is Israel, G7 & most of the EU don't want a ceasefire. Now they sound ok with a pause after voting against one a few weeks ago at the UN.

Hopefully they succumb to pressure at some point when the world watches on seeing dozens more blown up kids on the TV every night.

What happens when the dinosaurs show up?