Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

It has been called the Hollywood movie solution because it is far-fetched and unrealistic. This has been explained many times.

Rather than a 26-point solution, there is a much much simpler road to peace.

1. Hamas releases the hostages
2. Hamas hands over those responsible for planning and executing the terrorist operation of 7/10 to the ICC
3. Peace

Simple as that.

I still don't understand .What time period are you talking about?

Lol.

Just because you guys call something a Hollywood solution doesn't make it so.

And as already responded to that determination, surely the Hollywood solution is thinking big words and big bombs is going to bring peace.

Look at history instead of Netflix.

And its laughable, and indicative of your view on the whole situation that you think the only necessary action for peace is on the hands of Hamas.

After 10000+ Palestinians are killed in a month. F right off with that nonsense.

Not at all. Just well-intentioned dupes of those that are working to destroy Israel.

You show me security guarantees from Israel and I'll show you them from Hamas.

If Hamas leadership and funding is resolved, there will be little for the Palestinians to remove. Likewise with the rockets if Hamas is ultimately weakened. And don't act like Israel doesn't have the most sophisticated defense system on the planet.

And I don't know if you deliberately misconstrued my point but what I referred to in relation to prisoners was the number of Palestinians held without charge in Israeli jails. If we were to talk total prisoners versus hostages then the ration is probably 50 to 1 rather than the 5:1 for uncharged.

And as with Blanch152 before you, you don't make any suggestion of conciliatory actions on the part of the Israeli's here.

That is the issue here, both of you only see Palestinians at fault in this (blanch152 has spent weeks now claiming this only started on Oct 7th). Neither of you have shown any capacity to see ill in Israels actions or a need for them to participate in a path to peace.

It's hard not to see your views as aligned with some of the most draconian expressions of the Israeli government.

The actions of each party I have suggested are a step in the right direction, no one is suggesting it is simple or can happen overnight. But it sure as hell is better than thinking you can bomb the livelihoods of 2M people out of existence and just carry on blissfully afterwards.

Perhaps they weren't born October 6th and knew that when the terrorists do something horrendous and stupid, it's the children who suffer the worst.

Why would Israel want to prevent them from leaving? Many of their government officials are painstakingly clear in their messaging that their motivation is ethnic cleansing, millions of people leaving Gaza is exactly what they want. It doesn't seem to be a war crime Egypt wants to be party to however.

No, not that simple.

How is peace achieved, for instance?

To release hostages there will need to be a ceasefire, Israel won't agree to a ceasefire without hostages first, so that buggers that.

Hamas are as likely to turn themselves in as Bibi is to march up to the witness stand of the ICC.

There's simple thinking here, but no simple solutions.

Add the bilateral security guarantees to your list then, explicitly assigning ownership to Palestine.

After the Hamas leadership are removed (in a prompter way than waiting for Mossad to do so, maybe Qatar turns them over to the ICC as instigators in a violent, cruel war), there's still plenty of participants from the 7 October massacre that'll still be around, basically war criminals. Just give them a pass?

As for October 7, yes, that's when this war broke out, started by Hamas. They are completely at fault for this latest manifestation of the ongoing conflict in the middle east. They invaded, massacred people, kidnapped innocents and celebrated it.

Blanch's proposal ends the current spate of violence.

That's not the question I asked. There's only a very small number of people in Gaza who have foreign passports.

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So simple, we should have thought of this much sooner.

The only clear and obvious war crimes that are being committed are the holding of civilian hostages by Hamas.

Other war crimes, whether it is the human shielding by Hamas, the lobbying of rockets at their own citizens by Hamas, any of the claimed war crimes in respect of Israel etc., need further evidence to be corroborated.

That is why I start with the obvious - release the hostages.

The majority of Jewish people view Israel as necessary, and yes "handy". Handy to have a welcoming place to escape to when a large number of people that they live amongst suddenly decide they hate them and go on an anti semitic rampage, which seems to happen an awful lot. You'd have to question why someone can't even stomach the existence of one Jewish state in the entire world. But sure, it's the anti semites who are in support of it and not calling daily for it's destruction

Israel should and does exist. It's not going anywhere. Time for hamas to accept that.

I'll add security conditions on the next edition of the post. But I can tell you now I will be applying it as the responsibility of all parties to some degree.

Blanh152's proposal ends the current spate of violence with the complete shifting of responsibility for it on to Hamas. Israels holds part of the responsibility.