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The trial of Molly Martens

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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,931 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Prison Penpal stuff right here, when you really boil it down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,600 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I heard as early as June next year is possible



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    you can't seem to answer the question

    its evidence it was there, not why it was there

    no the defense pathologist stated it was probably homicide

    the prosecution should have corrected this

    the prosecution pathologist evidence added nothing to why she would believe that he had murdered his wife, given they were saying this in 2023, given no one actually believes he murdered his wife, no one, no even molly, she would have had no reason to think that

    The pathologist didn't rules out asthma, in any way, just that there was no cause of death

    Molly has shown herself to be a liar, so is an unreliable witness

    The moment she decided

    yes why decide on the night to drive i think 500k to bring over a baseball bat, I think on a week night, out of the blue, it wasn't like it was across town

    then to hide evidence, to lie etc, to try and keep the kids, to make the kids lie, to hit the kids shout at them

    all just before your husband was going to leave you

    I mean you are really clutching

    the blood splatter evidence showed he was in bed when attacked



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,099 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I have no idea if they were or not, some of what was in the 3 statements I already knew from one of the Aunts books.

    But like I have already stated directly to you numerous times, I agree with this Judge and the other numerous independent Judges that reviewed the children's extensive interviews with the child specialists and I concur with them that the children were factual narrators of truth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭monkeybutter




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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Does anyone know whether this ruling can be appealed?

    Or failing that whether the Corbetts can bring a civil case against the Martens? My understanding is the burden of proof is not as high in civil cases so they might actually get some sort of compensation if they could go down that route.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,600 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    So you believe their 2015 statements were truthful?

    we know you cannot tell us if you believe yesterday’s versions, as this hurts your defence of two killers.

    If you believe their 2015 statements, you are telling us that they lied yesterday?

    tell ya, I’d hate to think any Corbett family members were reading some of the guff you’ve been spreading here that is subtle, but deliberate in your defending his killers



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,099 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The State can't appeal a plea deal they offered. The Martens can appeal the sentence but are not going to apparently.

    Civil case was already brought years ago.

    It was settled out of court with neither Molly, her father or mother admitting guilt.

    The Children have 750k in a trust for when they turn 21.

    180k of that came from the Martens, the rest from insurance and inheritance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭captbarnacles


    "Jason Corbett had a suitcase packed at the door. His computer showed he had searched flights back to Ireland for the next day for himself & his two young children, leaving Molly Martens. In #domesticviolence relationships, the most dangerous time is when you attempt to leave."

    Didn't know that. Another damning piece of evidence if true.

    Makes sense with what happened. Molly realised he was going and rang her father in a panic to tell him Jason was taking the kids back to Ireland the next day. Tom martens dropped everything and rushed to her house.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    the martens tried to hide evidence of this, computers phones etc



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  • Registered Users Posts: 55,600 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yep. Always most volatile time is when the victims try to leave.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,099 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    No I'm telling you me and numerous judges believe the interviews were honest narrations of fact.

    It was the Judge in this case that poured doubt directly on the children's current statements.

    And the supreme court who poured doubt on the "recanting" of Jack, link and text of opinion already provided to you.

    I'll put it to you this way, it's possible that when Jack and Sarah get older they will go looking for the actual truth as they can find it and not the fog of other peoples narrations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,600 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Well, this is unequivocal for me. You don’t believe their statements yesterday.

    I must have missed the judge pouring doubt on the children’s statements yesterday. How did he do that?

    in case you missed it: Jack said he lied in 2015, and you disbelieve him, saying this is a lie.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    that's just against the father, might not have been worth going after herself

    no doubt part of the reason she plead the way she did

    they were beneficiaries of the insurance policy

    not sure how the house was split



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,099 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Well no the Judge has stated he would doubt them and they were irrelevant to the hearing anyway.

    I'm not the Judge.

    If the kids believe the statements and it helps them draw a line under this than that's all that really matters, agreed?



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,600 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Not agreed. I think it’s damn awful of you to still now be spreading this narrative that yesterday two children who have lost both parents (one at the hands of a psycho) are lying…

    and no, you’re not getting away with it with your “it’s not my view, it’s a courts view.”



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    no they felt they should have been admitted as evidence, up to whoever to decide on which was correct

    this is a fair assessment



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,876 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I do recall one poster mentioning that it was Molly Martens that was the victim of domestic violence- not Jason.

    Funny how they haven’t come back and apologised



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    He's out in a few months possible 6-7 and she's looking at 4 - 6 years not bad for murder



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    You will always get the ones that refuse to believe facts.

    And then when the children, as adults or as good as an adult, bravely tell what happened the same people are damn quite on the matter.

    I find it hard to believe some are so deluded in their thinking they would countenance the twisted version of events pedaled by consummate liars.

    I just wish the children and wider family of Jason Corbett all the best for the rest of their lives.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,099 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Following submissions about whether the children had been coached or conditioned to say things that favoured Martens Corbett and or her father Tom Martens in their interviews with social workers in the days immediately after the death of their father, Judge David Hall said there were indications that proved both the accuracy of what they said, and of coaching, either direct or indirect.

    But, on balance, he said that he found there was not enough time to successfully coach such young children in such a detailed presentation of facts.

    He also said that, if the prosecution were alleging that the children could have been coached or influenced to make statements in the course of four or five days, then that also applied to the recantation statements that were made from the other side of the ocean months and years after the death of Mr Corbett.

    Again, I am not the Judge.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Just reading through this thread and holy Christ some people love stirring the pot to make themselves feel relevant . Everyone knows what was played out in the last few weeks was nothing but a kangaroo court and a charade to get one of their own released early. Anybody trying to make excuses for a murdering nutjob and her father should have a good look in the mirror.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,176 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    If any of the Corbett family read here, I'd like them to know that the 2 victim impact statements really moved me to tears.

    They were so powerful and gave a vivid picture of the kind of man their dad was and the loving bond they had.

    I felt there was a theme of guilt running through the statements but those 2 young people have absolutely nothing to feel guilty about.

    They were so brave to go back to America, which in itself must have been very traumatic and then to face the 2 people who ended their dad's life, that took so much courage.

    Molly and Tom Martens are the ones who should feel guilt and shame. And I hope when they listened to those powerful statements that they felt just that. And to anyone who helped conceal anything that helped mitigate the Martens (missing laptops etc), I hope they all will examine their conscience now.

    I have a feeling all will not be rosey for the Martens now given that Jason's voice has now been heard (through his children).

    Initially with this case, I bought the narrative that Molly had this selfish love for the children and was terrified that they would taken away from her (still no excuse obviously but some sort of warped explanation).

    However, from the kid's statements and the stories of cruelty, manipulation and mind games, she didn't love anyone only herself.

    I'm glad those stories have come to light. It paints a very clear picture of the life that those kids and their dad had to endure.

    I hope this will bring some sort of peace to the children and whole Corbett family now.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,176 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    If any of the Corbett family read here, I'd like them to know that the 2 victim impact statements really moved me to tears.

    They were so powerful and gave a vivid picture of the kind of man their dad was and the loving bond they had.

    I felt there was a theme of guilt running through the statements but those 2 young people have absolutely nothing to feel guilty about.

    They were so brave to go back to America, which in itself must have been very traumatic and then to face the 2 people who ended their dad's life, that took so much courage.

    Molly and Tom Martens are the ones who should feel guilt and shame. And I hope when they listened to those powerful statements that they felt just that. And to anyone who helped conceal anything that helped mitigate the Martens (missing laptops etc), I hope they all will examine their conscience now.

    I have a feeling all will not be rosey for the Martens now given that Jason's voice has now been heard (through his children).

    Initially with this case, I bought the narrative that Molly had this selfish love for the children and was terrified that they would taken away from her (still no excuse obviously but some sort of warped explanation).

    However, from the kid's statements and the stories of cruelty, manipulation and mind games, she didn't love anyone only herself.

    I'm glad those stories have come to light. It paints a very clear picture of the life that those kids and their dad had to endure.

    I hope this will bring some sort of peace to the children and whole Corbett family now.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,600 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    In happier news, that scumbag Puska was found guilty or murder today!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Fotish


    Agreed, consummate liars, and convicted killers, don’t have a lot of credibility.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,600 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Of course, I forgot. It's not your view.......fooling absolutely nobody, Boggles



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    I followed the case from the very beginning. Yes Jason died in a brutal way and my immediate thougt was, they must have been in complete fear and panic. A doctor actually said that.. The injuries Jason sustained only show how Terrified Molly and her Father were.

    It is a sad case but, nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors!?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,099 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's the view of the literal sentencing Judge.

    But for some reason you seem to hold my opinion in higher regard.

    That's beyond bizarre.



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