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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,935 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    M&S prices were horrific before Brexit, God knows what they're like now. But yeah like people have said I dont think you'll be buying steaks and veg in there, it will be a copy of the little sandwich and drinks place in Heuston.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,200 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Most likely, I'd say it's the same M&S convenience shops that are common at service stations and railway stations in the UK. Interesting to see Applegreen bring in a third party for the convenience shop aspect of the service station, think that's a first in Ireland

    Can't see it being used by many locals, most likely their target is people driving from cork to galway for example



  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭lordleitrim




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,326 ✭✭✭dunworth1


    another Charity shop has opened this time on Cruises Street according to Live95 news.

    Vision Ireland the new name for the NCBI



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,200 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Good to see Cruises Street being somewhat resurrected... Are they keeping the outlets on William Street and over in Grove Island as well?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    Nothing against charity shops but it’s a bad sign when that’s all that will take a unit on cruises street.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,200 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Cruises street, and most of the city trade has been dying lately... Better to have a charity shop than a boared up shopfront



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There is no sign that they are going to try something different with that street. Maybe they can't I don't know but those little units aren't attractive to the type of retail that used to be there anymore.

    The street has no hope against online or the retail parks when it comes to goods shops.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭orangerhyme



    In Limerick the universities, cinemas, shopping centers, sports stadiums, theatres, music venues are all located outside the city center, which sucks the energy out of the city.

    I'd persuade Dolan's to move to Cruises Street (this might be difficult but it would be a much better location for it so it's mutually beneficial) or else open another music venue there. Also an indie/art cinema and theatre/performance space with cafe. (Maybe persuade the Belltable to move there).

    That would bring pretty decent footfall 7 nights a week.

    Also Limerick doesn't have a hostel so I'd open a cool tourist hostel there with something unique and marketable about it (dare I say Instagramable/TikTokable). Maybe an "Angelas Ashes" room, a Cranberries room, a Richard Harris room etc. Anything is possible. (Aphex Twin, Wogan, Rugby, Hurling).

    Loads of tourists pass through or near Limerick and this could attract them to stay a night or two.

    Then maybe offer cheap rent to independent shops, cafes, designers, restaurants in the vacant shops.

    I'd completely change the paving and shop fronts to give it that old timey Irish look with cobblestones and gas lamps and traditional shop fronts (similar to Temple Bar and Galway and Westport etc). It would be fake but good for atmosphere. They do this in German cities all the time in the "alt stadt".

    A Delores Riordan statue.

    Apartments above the shops is a good idea but can be very difficult to do with regulations.

    Covering the street also is a good idea, maybe have it half covered. Maybe a playground could be put somewhere. There's none in the city and it would be a handy spot for parents to sit down for a coffee when out shopping and let the kids run off some energy.

    Maybe a coworking/hacker space with "hot desks" for start ups. Cheap spaces for artists/designers etc.

    Maybe a late night cafe eg 11/12 pm for people who don't like pubs with board games/game nights/chess meets etc. There was a 24 hour Starbucks in Dublin which was full of Muslims at nighttime.

    All of these ideas are achievable and not particularly expensive. It just requires vision and energy. Our government and councils have loads of money.

    All of the above could be done in less than 5 years and by the end you'd have a have a cool, cultural, tourist friendly street with footfall at all hours. A "virtuous cycle" would be in motion then attracting more businesses and people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Not sure if this is serious but about 95% of what you suggest would involve a complete tear down and rebuild.

    If that's the plan it would be best to knock it and fill it again and leave no street. It was a stupid idea from the start as Limerick already had more than enough streets.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Vanquished


    Absolutely. It's even more acute when you consider that Enable Ireland have moved into the former Gerrard unit between Penney's and the former Debenhams. Now hopefully this is just a short term arrangement in the lead up to Christmas but if it's not then it raises a whole host of questions about the health of Limerick city centre.

    I mean you can't get much more of a prime pitch than that location. It's sandwiched between two of the largest retail units in town and essentially across the street from Brown Thomas. If they can't attract a higher profile/quality tenant than that then we're in dire straits. Although come to think of it when was the last time a significant national nevermind international retailer was attracted to open in the city centre?!



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Hasn't the Enable garden centre been there ages. Ever since they were made move from the Riches car park ?

    Sandwiched is the right word as its a tiny unit and one of the "2 largest retail units" is empty and due for redevelopment same as the Enable unit.

    It says nothing about Limerick really. It's just a sht unit and we have better ones on better streets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,200 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    In Limerick the universities, cinemas, shopping centers, sports stadiums, theatres, music venues are all located outside the city center, which sucks the energy out of the city.

    Nail hit on the head. The drain has been happening for years

    I think if we made the city more car friendly these businesses would flock to cruises street and other streets. People like the idea of being able to drive to their destinations to do their shopping or catch a movie, hence the success of the shopping centres located outside the city



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How do you turn the city centre into the Cresent without bulldozing the whole place ?

    Which businesses would "flock to Cruises St. ?

    Where in Limerick will the massive Childers Road units go without bulldozing the place ?

    Where will you fit UL, PnaG, Thomond Park in the city ?

    Limericks problems with retail are no different to anywhere else and the centre is only "dead" to a certain middle aged demographic that seems to want nothing but B&Q everywhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Spot on. And with reference to your last sentence, it's utterly dispiriting everytime there is a notification on this thread about a new business opening only fot that business to turn out to be a charity shop/vape shop/phone shop.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Maybe a complete tear down is what's necessary.

    Just build a music venue, hostel, hotel, cinema, bar, restaurants complex with apartments on top.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭pigtown


    I'd love if someone (council or chamber) undertook a detailed analysis of where Limerick people spend their money. The county has the highest level of disposable income outside of Dublin but you don't see that reflected in the quality of shops, restaurants, or hotels in the city.

    Is the cash being spent online or are people travelling to Cork, Kildare, or Dublin to do their shopping and socializing?



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ide be all for that. At least take out the back half between the 2 alleyways and make it a hotel again.

    Belltable do their best with the arthouse cinema stuff but I would love an Everyman or Curzon type job with a proper hospitality set-up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    If you could persuade Dolan's to move there, it would be a game changer.

    It's a much better location for them although I know they're obviously going to have an emotional attachment to their current location.

    Then indie cinema, hostel, late night cafe, playground, improve the public realm.

    Those are pretty solid ideas and not really expensive.

    It's already near the main shopping and going out area, so it shouldn't be too difficult to draw people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Vanquished


    Unfortunately it says plenty about the city centre. It's a reasonably sized unit with plenty of natural light and extra space on the upper floors if a little bit of vision was shown. Similar sized units in Cork city centre and especially in Galway's case, even smaller premises are in use for retail. Have you seen the Schuh store on Shop Street Galway for instance? It's miniscule but still operating as a retail outlet because the demand is clearly there for that kind of space.

    In Limerick's case unfortunately many prime units have been up for letting for years in some instances. The corner unit at Roches Street/O'Connell Street for instance. The unit at the corner with Thomas Street, the former Gasta/Kranks, the old PTSB on Sarsfield Street etc etc. Probably the most attractive unit on the street; the former Compu b is still vacant despite Rooney's bringing it to the market a year ago in advance of the existing business moving to the Crescent. The unit is spacious and fitted out to a high standard yet there's still limited interest in it! There are clearly big issues with attracting new business into town!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭dashoonage


    lads....were not taking up the **** paving again ok.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You can't move somewhere like Dolan's. You could try do your best to recreate it but it's hard to transfer the atmosphere of a venue into a modern site. The venue side of Dolan's doesn't need to be in a "better location" anyway because people go to it for a specific event same as a sports venue.

    Everything you mention except the cafe and maybe the hostel require a rebuild. Hostel would be great though. Bizarre Limerick has none and even Cork only has two and one is tiny. It seems all or nothing the way the hostels are centred in the traditional tourist spots.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Is there not enough scope for that ready with Opera quarter, Cleeves, The old Dunnes, Sarsfield house etc., Colbert station area etc.

    Part of the problem is the sheer number of locations that need to be rejuvenated.

    They moved the courts to Mulgrave street but still use the old building for family courts which is a waste of a prime waterfront building.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Just to use Schuh as an example. Why would they move in there when the much better unit on Bedford Row was available. It's a run down unit that is part of a building that was in limbo for ages.

    Go on any of the city threads on Boards and you will find people just like you saying the grass is greener on the other cities.

    There is something very dodgy going on with Kranks though. That street is now one of if not the most sought after especially for food/drink and yet that's sitting idle with no sign of a CPO or punitive action. Everytime I pass I wonder if it owned by a buddy of a councillor.

    You are right to point to Shop St. though. It's very successful despite it being one of the most "anti car" streets in Ireland in a city with a terrible traffic reputation. But apparently Limericks problem is it's not car friendly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,683 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Why the jaysis would Dolan's move? People specifically go to their end of the city for them. If they were in the centre, they'd just be one of the pack.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭geotrig


    honestly i think it may be just a combination of extortionate rates /rents that are looked for in the prime areas of the city that put off new business and generally as well ,low footfall in some area's , a few like kranks would need a fortune spent before it could reopen .

    The old Mcdonald's unit is for sale for something like a 1mill



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    When people go to places like cinema or music gigs, they go for food and drinks before or after, so it benefits everyone.

    Dolan's is great but it's a bit of a hike.

    Cruises street is closer to UL, the Art College, LIT, the Opera site etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,683 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Ya you're saying Dolan's is a hike - that's a selling point for them, that they're all alone where they are. They will never move, bar the chance of opening an extra venue in centre.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Merchant's Quay is right beside City Hall. It's the ideal place for a courthouse. It's also used for civil court, not just family.

    Crime only moved because Merchant's Quay was too small.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Dolans regularly organise gigs in the Milk Market and the Castle. You'd swear there was never anything on in the city center.



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