Jozef Puska guilty of murder of Ashling Murphy (Mod notes and threadbans in op)

There have been numerous studies into the mentality behind the movement and they have found a common believe system with other groups. Incel as a term can now incorporate greater manosphere groups, anti-feminists, mens rights groups, pickup artists being examples of these.

You can Google these studies if you want.

If people from one country were responsible for over 90% of rapes and a huge percentage of murders then of course there would be questions asked.

I didn't say nothing could be done, quite the opposite in fact. Have very tough sentences for proven murders, rapists, pedophiles etc. Irrespective of their gender. Just be tough on crime.

Same with immigration. Have immigration but have strict check and balances. Have a history of violent assault? Not coming in here pal. And we should assess if accepting refugees from countries where women are treated like sh*te on a shoe or where being gay is a punishable offence is a good idea. Ireland is a modern and Liberal Republic where all citizens are considered equal. Let's keep it that way.

sorry you are 100% right, I should have said Kieran Cuddihy! It was The Hard Shoulder, his show. I'll edit my post

I am not

How much has/will that parasite cost the taxpayer since he arrived in this country?

it disgusts me that my money will keep him alive for the next couple of decades

shame the death penalty is gone

They should feel angry, sick, disgusted about the man who killed their loved one. As should any man. We should all be disgusted about the men who rape and murder, we should all be trying to do something about it. No matter how small. It's all of us against the men who rape and murder.

100% agree

We did something about it, what part of this don't you get? The individual who murdered Aisling Murphy, the only person responsible for her heinous killing, was found guilty of murder in a court of law by a jury of his peers. What more to you want? Public lynchings of random men to satisfy your rage?

Why are you talking about random men? Where have I said anything about random men? I'm talking about men who murder and rape. What can we do to stop these men? Is there something we can do as a society? If you had the chance to save even 1 woman like Ashling would you take it? Again, I don't know the answers but something has to be done. If we all fight together, work together, think together, act together then there's the possibility of at least lessening the opportunity for these men to be created, developed or have the ability to attack. And that's to attack men or women. What's wrong with at least trying?

You can't stop a rapist, a murderer or an abuser till they act on their impulses and are caught. Yes there are men out there that give off the wrong/creepy vibes but you can't go locking people up because they give the wrong vibe. There are also men who are so called "pillars of the community" who as far as everyone is concerned are gentlemen until they are exposed as an abuser, rapist or murderer. It doesn't matter how much education is given to both men and women, boys and girls there will be always those that will commit these awful crimes. The only fear they have is being caught and exposed. There is nothing wrong with trying but unless you have something like in the movie minority report or an ability to read minds I don't see how you can stop them. As the saying goes they hide in plain sight, there might be some signs but mostly it is not till they actually do something.

Was there any evidence given that it was sexually motivated? Not saying it wasn’t. Just don’t remember reading it anywhere.

And ....We could call out misogyny and sexism on social media and other sites when we see it .

Like the poster you are talking to is doing .

There are some people , it would appear , who still don't realise how insidious that type of language is , and how some , who are well aware of its negative power, use it to whip up and twist the discussion ...leading to making it look like very reasonable people are asking for something extraordinary.

It is not too much to ask that people respect other people for who they are and not criticise on the basis of gender, beliefs and race .

Most of us of all gender do this everyday out there in the world without even thinking about it . Credit to good upbringing and education, as well as testament to the person's own character .

That's what I have got from @Musicrules posts and others , and yours as well , so we are agreeing I think ,

It is remarkable how this is even being discussed here today and this leads me to think that there are people who are targeting this thread purely to vent about" how bad men have it " !

They really don't ..and nobody is saying Puska = all men .

You talking about Aishling's family is pointless . The worst imaginable thing has happened already for them and their only , cold , as it is , comfort for them now, is that he is sent down for life .

But do you think that any family would support any maltreatment/ injury of their loved ones , male or female in the future ?

I think all families would be happy for any supports or pamphlets, groups or actions that might prevent the engendering of such violence and violent behaviour in any young person , which might prevent such issues in the future .

If anybody has a problem with such work being done to prevent ALL such violence in our society...well , I don't understand that .

Also discussions in the MS media is no bad thing ...it will find its level and when people stop ringing Joe Duffy or getting aerated about Newstalk or whoever is talking too much sxxx about it they will go away and think about how this affects them and the conversation is open , at least , to discussing the best way forward.

Sorry too long .

Back to shrugging our shoulders then? We can't do anything about these men so just let them at it.

How are they created? Are they born this way? Does society grow them? Instead of giving up we need to invest in figuring this out. Found out why some men have rape and murder, why it happens so often etc. Finding out why is a good place to start and then find ways to prevent it. If this comes natural to some men then can that be altered? Can we test for it. Is there something we can do in education, something in family life. The list of things we can try is endless.

Instead of giving up or any of that other rubbish, get behind the effort to stop these men. Everyone against them.

But practically what can be don’t to stop a crime before it’s comitted short of some sort of sci-fi thought prediction type scenario. Death pen for rape/murder? What can be done in reality.